Transcript - Full Board of Supervisor meeting 8-27-2024

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[Clerk of the Board - Stephanie Blankenship] (0:00 - 0:17)

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[Kevin Crye] (0:19 - 0:38)

Thank you, Stephanie, and if we could, can we get through the prayer and invocation before we result to bedlam? All right, Marcy, sorry I didn't see you there as well. We have board member Frances Belden from Christian Science Church of Reading for invocation.

Please stand and please remain standing for the pledge led by Supervisor Jones.

[Frances Belden - Invocation] (0:50 - 1:15)

Good morning. This is our daily prayer. Thy kingdom come, let the reign of divine truth, life, and love be established in me, and rule out of me all sin.

And may thy word enrich the affections of all mankind, and govern them.

[Audience] (1:16 - 1:39)

Pledge of Allegiance

[Kevin Crye] (1:39 - 1:41)

Thank you, Supervisor Jones.

[Mary Rickert] (1:41 - 1:50)

Thank you, Fran. I appreciate you coming. She's also on the board of the Shasta County Fire Safe Council, so she plays many roles in Shasta County.

Thank you.

[Kevin Crye] (1:51 - 2:01)

Thank you, Supervisor Rickert. We're moving on to R1. Receive an update from County Executive Officer on county issues, and then we have our board reports.

CEO Rickert.

[David Rickert] (2:02 - 3:29)

Good morning, Chairman Cray and members of the Board of Supervisors. Dave Rickert, County Executive Officer reporting. August 23rd was the last day to amend bills for the 2024 legislative session.

August 31st is the last day for each house to pass bills. The California Legislature will reconvene on January 3rd, 2025. With this in mind, we should consider contacting both RC and CSAC and let them know about future bills we would support.

And with this in mind, I would propose a letter be drafted and placed on a future agenda expressing support for our state income tax deduction for fire insurance. This would go a long way to reducing the impact of this additional burden on our citizens and benefit those most mostly impacted by fire risk. A bill regarding this was introduced in 2024, but lacks sufficient support to pass through the legislature.

Moving on to county business. On Saturday, August 24th, a team from the CEO's office with a special assist from Supervisor Garmon participated in the Strikeout Domestic Violence Bullethon at Country Bowl. Our team won a trophy for the most funds raised.

This is an annual event hosted by the District Attorney's Office. On Monday, I met with county department heads for an update on county activities. Some of the topics discussed were future budget expectations, long-term strategic planning, recruitment challenges, public safety, and current and future proposed legislation.

This concludes my report.

[Kevin Crye] (3:30 - 3:31)

Thank you, CEO Rickert.

[Tim Garman] (3:31 - 4:27)

Supervisor Garmon. Thank you, Chairman Crile.

I'm going to keep it brief this morning because I'm not feeling the greatest. I had a first fire review for some grant applications. I had a Community Action Board meeting with Supervisor Rickert.

I had a Lions Club Health Foundation meeting. We talked about Camp McCumber and what we could do to hopefully make that better and bigger next year. I met with Tony Bartolome, Josh Foynes, and others out at Whiskeytown Park.

We met for three hours. We drove around the entire park, basically, looking at trees that are dangerous, looking at culverts that need to be changed, looking at roads that need to be striped, and speed limits, and that's just among some of the stuff we looked at. I attended the District Attorney Fundraiser.

I think it was the eighth annual fundraiser to strike out domestic violence with CEO Rickert. We had a lot of fun with that, and I will tell you, if you go bowling, it makes you feel 20 years younger. With that, I'll conclude my report.

[Kevin Crye] (4:27 - 4:29)

Thank you, Supervisor Garmon. Supervisor Jones.

[Patrick Jones] (4:30 - 8:01)

Thank you, Chair. Last week met with CEO Rickert and County Council and Chair Crye to go over several important issues. Those will be coming up future dates.

Met again with Shasta County Chamber of Commerce, as well as Eric Woodstrom. He was the former EDC Chair or President, and obviously this week the RFP for our tourism is coming up or coming to an end, and so obviously these two groups have an interest in that, and I'm sure there will be others as well. Yesterday I was on site with the Bear Fire.

Our fire season, unfortunately, is not over. Cal Fire and Shasta County Fire did a great job. They got that out within about nine acres, and that was very much in the footprint of the Fawn Fire just a few years ago.

We have set the date, or I have set the date, for the KIA fundraiser for the monument. This will be our first fundraiser. It'll be September 21st.

Doors open at 4. It'll be at the Anderson VFW the 21st of September. And then lastly, Chair, I just wanted to clear up there's still some misconceptions about carrying concealed weapons in Shasta County buildings, and so I wanted to read a little bit about what happened, or at least inform the public about SB 2, which took effect starting January 1st of this year.

So prior to January 1st of this year, if you had a valid California concealed weapon permit, you would be able to go on city and county property if you were properly permitted. SB 2 changed that starting this year. Now there has been a stay put on a large portion of SB 2, and a future court will decide whether those provisions are lawful or not.

However, what was not put a stay on was the state and local government buildings. What this board did last year is we passed a resolution, and it was Section 171B, subsection B4. And I'll read a little bit so people can understand.

Under existing law, it is a crime to bring a firearm into a state or local building, and it makes it a crime to bring a loaded firearm into or upon the grounds of any residents of the governor or any other constitutional officer or member of the legislature. Existing law exempts a licensed person from that prohibition if, among other things, the licensee has a license to carry the firearm. This bill, SB 2, would remove those exceptions, except as specified.

And so those last three words, except as specified, then you go to subsection 171B4, and there it tells you exactly. It says, 171B, subsection B, subdivision A, shall not apply to or affect any of the following. And this is where 4 comes in.

A person who has permission to possess that firearm granted in writing by the duly authorized officer who is in charge of local government buildings. That's us. And so we pass that resolution that allows a person, anywhere and any person in the state of California that has a valid concealed weapon permit, can enter this building as they were prior to January 1st of this year.

So hopefully that cleans it up. I will continue to work on this with our County Council and give more clarity and eventually a press release to that. And with that, Chair, that ends my report.

[Kevin Crye] (8:01 - 8:03)

Thank you, Supervisor Jones. Supervisor Kalstrom.

[Chris Kelstrom] (8:04 - 11:18)

All right. After last Tuesday's meeting, I went to the Anderson City Council meeting that night, and the next morning I met with a constituent in Anderson who had a road, a problem on her road, so I went and toured the road and saw the issue. And shout out to Troy Bartolome, because by the time I sent him the pictures and the email, he had already been on it.

They had already been discussing it that day and has already a plan to fix it. So I was a little late to that. So then after that, I went to the Chamber, the Chess County Chamber roundup at Good Times Pizza out in Palisadro.

And then, let's see, I had a meeting on the 23rd, and Rebecca Bair from the EDC reached out to me. She dropped off some business cards. We're going to look into the financial losses up in Shingletown due to the park fire.

So I got to get up there and get her cards out to all the businesses up there. And then I went to a ribbon-cutting for the GOP headquarters on Cypress and Hempstead Drive in Redding on that evening. Then I did go talk to the owner of Roosters about the Molotov cocktail case on Saturday.

And then I went to the Cottonwood Community Center back at the ranch dinner at the Hardass Ranch. Let's see. And then yesterday, I worked the last Avello flight, worked it with Mark Mazzano.

Mike Mangus was there, did a good story on that. So it was pretty sad to see them go. I talked to some of the representatives from Avello there.

According to him, he said Avello wants to come back. And, you know, I told him we're going to do everything we can to get them back. So that's in the works.

Hopefully it's not completely dead. Hopefully there's a chance to get Avello to come back here. I talked to the gal in the coffee shop yesterday, and there was 120 people in that flight, which is amazing for that to be in the last flight, because the words got out there that, you know, Avello's no longer flying out of Redding.

So there were still 120 people that flew out yesterday. How they're going to get back, I'm not sure. I talked to a couple of them.

One of them is going to have to take a United flight back at three times the price. But I talked to the girl in the coffee shop at Theory Coffee Shop, and I just asked her after that flight was over, and I said, how many cups of coffee did you sell today, you know, on this flight? So the one flight, I said, was it 30, 40, 50?

And she said about 60 cups of coffee. So, you know, there's another $400 out of our local economy that we're going to lose just in a little tiny coffee shop behind TSA lines. We talked to a couple of guys that were up here fly fishing.

They went to the McLeod River. They were from Pasadena, and they came up for the week. They went fly fishing.

I mean, you know, they bought two cups of coffee before they left. So, I mean, spent a couple more dollars on our economy before they, you know, flew back. And how much they spent on the McLeod River with guides, and I know they went to the fly shop.

You know, how much those guys spent in our local economy, you know, it's really sad to see. It's not just a flight that we're losing. It's quite a jump to our financial economy.

And then last of all, yesterday afternoon, I met with DA Bridget. We discussed this Molotov cocktail case because there's all these rumors going around that, you know, the owner had been told that they were dropping charges, and he's like, Are they gonna let this guy out? And so you get two bites of the apple on criminal charges.

So the first did expire, but they immediately refiled. He has a court date of 28th and 29th for a preliminary hearing. They're going to go forward with the case, and, you know, hopefully justice will be served.

So shout out to Stephanie Bridget. She clarified everything. It took five minutes, and I appreciate that very much.

And that concludes my report.

[Kevin Crye] (11:18 - 11:21)

Thank you, Supervisor Ritter.

[Mary Rickert] (11:21 - 13:53)

Yes, we did a radio show to discuss issues germane to the county on KCNR. We attended a Community Action Board meeting with Supervisor Garmon. There was a presentation by Robin from our Health and Human Services Department on the Homeless Assistance case management programs.

Joshua Johnson from the Reading City Council was there, and he reported that there will be 17 micro shelters available in the fall for housing for homeless, and for housing at the Manor Hotel, that should be available later this, maybe around the first of the year. So that's all real good news that there's some opportunities for housing for those who need housing. I attended the Nortec meeting in Anderson.

That's a group of basically North State counties that get together. It's a huge board. There's about 40, 50 people on that board.

One thing that was very disturbing is Anderson Farms, for those of us that are familiar with the agricultural world, they're a big processor of walnuts in the, close to the Vina area, and they had to, they went, filed bankruptcy, and so they've closed, which is 321 jobs. The other part is that this isn't going to be an outlet where walnut growers can bring their products. So our, our economy is taking a hit.

These are the kinds of things that we are all really concerned about. It was a, it was a very interesting topic for the, everyone there, very concerned about it. We had other stories from Lassen County, similar kind of stories.

So I met with the Five Labor, Five Counties Labor Council. I said hello to Ms. Blankenship, hosted the northern region of the clerks of the board, and so I went over and said hello, had lunch with them. So it was really fun.

So many of them, I know the supervisors in their county, so we had a lot of, we had some good times talking about, sharing stories about them. And then I talked to Bailey Cogger from Health and Human Services on Prop 1 funding. We want to stay right on top of that particular issue.

I asked her to give this board an update, basically if she would, on a monthly basis, so that we know exactly where that funding is, what the status of it is, and how it's progressing. Because we do not want to lose any potential dollars to serve those that are most vulnerable in this county. So with that, that concludes my report.

[Kevin Crye] (13:53 - 16:01)

Thank you, Supervisor Rickert. I had a Youth Options Board meeting last week. I do believe that is one of the most impactful boards in the county in terms of dealing with youth.

If those individuals enter that program in PeerCourt, I think that's a real opportunity to help turn some things around. So again, I've mentioned this before, if you're looking to get involved in a nonprofit, Youth Options is a great one. We are looking at doing some things to really improve the organization.

So we have a special board meeting next week that I'll report back on. I met with County Council Larmer and CEO Rickert, as well as Deputy Buttell about the rodeo grounds, really trying to understand some of the information. Again, the rodeo grounds isn't under this board's jurisdiction, but it is a District 1 and a staple of Shasta County.

So trying to understand really what the council is able to do in making sure that we educate the public and how that affects the county and agritourism and everything else that goes along with it. So working on something for that. Met with four different City of Reading candidates and asked questions about some various main topics.

One of them about the Airport Authority, the at-home program. Also asking them about their stance on the rodeo grounds, as I feel like staying to our rural roots in Shasta County is important, and I think that's going to be a big thing to come this next election. Also, I want to give a thank-you to Councilman Mazzano, who is somebody that I call quite often when it comes to things in my district and District 1.

Oftentimes some of the businesses in District 1 fall under the city's jurisdiction, so when a constituent reaches out to me and he helped an individual with a pizza parlor that's been having an issue getting a permit for about eight months and they got it in about eight hours. So thank you, Councilman Mazzano, for that. With that, that concludes my report.

We'll move on to R2. Receive a presentation from Golden State Finance Authority regarding the Recover California program. This is sponsored by myself.

Welcome, sir.

[Dan Wayne from - Golden State Finance Authority] (16:07 - 23:50)

Good morning, and thank you for having us out today. My name is Dan Wayne. I'm with Golden State Finance Authority.

We are here to present information on our Recover California Homebuyers Assistance Program. So basically what the program is going to do is it's going to provide up to $350,000 to help people that were impacted by the fires in 18 and 20 to get back into home ownership. It's being funded by a grant from HUD and from HCD, and GSFA is the program manager and the administrator for the product, and we're proud to be so because we've been supporting home ownership in California for over three decades, specifically providing over $664 million in down payment assistance and helping over 85,000 families purchase homes.

So being that we've been a proponent of housing for the last three decades, we are aware of the many benefits that home ownership provides to the communities for the homeowners. Some examples of that are increased stability in neighborhoods as well as increased civic engagement. There's also a reduction of crime, and more importantly, there's a big financial impact on homeowners versus people that don't own homes, on average a 38 times increase in their net value.

So what we're hoping to do with this program is increase homeownership in the county itself. And for someone to apply for the program, it's pretty simple. They just have to have been impacted by the fires here in 18 or 20.

They don't need to have their property burned down. They didn't have to evacuate. We have a tool on our website where they can type in their property address during that time frame, and if their property address comes back in either red, orange, or pink, it's considered impacted for the purpose of the program.

The other requirement is that they do have to be below 80% of the area median income based on their family size. The structure of the assistance is we are providing up to $350,000 in the form of a forgivable second mortgage. It has a five-year term.

There's no rates, there's no payments, there's no interest. Basically, if they live in the property that they purchased with our program for the five years after the home was bought, the entire amount is forgiven. Otherwise, it's forgiven on a prorated basis of 20% per year for that five-year period, and it is intended for the purpose of down payment, closing costs, as well as the homebuyer education required for the program.

In order for an applicant to apply, the process is pretty simple. They begin by contacting a lender approved off the program on our website that will determine if they're eligible. They will qualify the buyer for a first mortgage, which helps us determine how much assistance we will provide, as well as how much of a house they can buy.

Once they find a property, the lender that they work with will lock their first loan with our program, as well as reserve the assistance funds. The borrower will complete their homebuyer education as required by the program, and they will get their loan closed, and they will go from being a prospective homebuyer to a homeowner. Now, our objective with this program is to help bridge the gap between what someone can afford and the reality of the California housing market.

So in our example here, we have a sample applicant that's going to qualify for a first mortgage of $268,000, but they're going to be able to buy a home of $600,000 because our assistance is going to provide them that gap funding for their down payment, as well as their closing cost. Now, the calculation of the assistance we provide is going to hinge on a couple of factors. First and foremost, you're going to look at the purchase price for the appraised value of the property.

You're going to deduct from that whatever amount that the bar can qualify for on a mortgage, and they're going to add back in their closing cost, and that's what we define as the borrower's need. Essentially, that's how much they would need to close the transaction. The two things that will impact that need calculation will be if that applicant has any funds from a previous disaster recovery program that was intended for a home purchase that they still have, or if they have any amount of liquid assets over $100,000.

The greater those two numbers will reduce what they actually qualify for on the program, but they are eligible for up to $350,000 to go towards their down payment and closing cost. Now, this is a first mortgage with assistance. Our first mortgage that's tied to the program is very basic.

It's just going to be a 30-year fixed-rate loan that comes in government and conventional loan options. There is a maximum amount available on the first, but it shouldn't be an issue because with our program, there is an income limit of 80% of the area median based on the household size of the applicant. We do have a minimum credit score for the program of 640, which will expand the many people that can apply and qualify, and we also uniquely have a range that we have for a maximum total debt ratio.

What that means is that we have a minimum so that the borrower has skin in the game when it comes to qualifying for a mortgage, but there's also a maximum to ensure the borrower doesn't qualify for more than a mortgage payment they can afford, that they can keep their homes. Most importantly, we are requiring homebuyer education, and that course can be paid for by the program funds. HUD has a requirement of bedroom size minimum and maximums based on the family size of the applicant, and then for the program itself, we are open to pretty much all property types as long as they're single-family, one-unit only.

The other requirements for the properties being purchased on our program is that it has to be located outside of a high and very high fire area, so the same map on our website referenced before to determine if the borrowers are qualified, that same map can be used as long as the property being purchased isn't in a red, orange, or pink area, the property would qualify for the program. On top of that, the property does also need to qualify for a standard homeowner's insurance policy that includes fire coverage. Unfortunately, HCD doesn't allow the California Fair Plan to be an accompanying policy on the purchase.

Now for someone to apply, it's really simple. They go to our website. We have a list of lenders that offer our program online.

That lender will be their main contact for the program. They will help them from the beginning to end, process their application, their loan, determine what they qualify for us, provide them with guidelines and information as well. We are also engaging in a comprehensive marketing and outreach campaign to the lending and mortgage community through online and in-person trainings.

We are working with the local Association of Realtors here in the county as well to provide education, and then we are always updating our website and our contact with the program information. Similarly, with regards to home buyer outreach, we are doing the same marketing campaign with the addition of newspaper and radio advertising, and we are also holding 10 public events in all of the impacted counties for the program. We actually have an event here next week at the City or the Reading City Hall.

We'd appreciate the Board's ability to get the information out there. It's also going to be on our website as well as on the radio and in newsprint. With that, I want to thank the Board and the public for their time and open it up to any questions or comments.

[Kevin Crye] (23:53 - 23:54)

Supervisor Garmon.

[Tim Garman] (23:54 - 24:02)

Thank you, Chairman Cry. I think I see the answer here is my question in that little flyer we have, but as an ask, is this open for renters as well or is it only home buyers?

[Dan Wayne from - Golden State Finance Authority] (24:03 - 24:20)

Great question, and it's actually open to anyone that can document that they lived in an impacted area of the county in 18 or 20. Renters, homeowners, as well as people that might have been living at home rent-free. The only thing that would exclude anybody is that they currently own real estate property.

Okay, thank you.

[Kevin Crye] (24:20 - 24:21)

Supervisor Ritter.

[Mary Rickert] (24:21 - 24:33)

And I think this was the program we talked about at the CAB meeting the other day, right? And it's my understanding if you've owned a house previously but you do not own one now that you still qualify, is that correct?

[Dan Wayne from - Golden State Finance Authority] (24:34 - 24:40)

That is correct, Supervisor. As long as you don't currently own a property at the time of application, you would be eligible. There's no first-time home buyer requirement.

[Kevin Crye] (24:40 - 25:00)

Okay, thanks. Seeing no other questions, thank you. I appreciate your time.

Thank you for coming up. Moving on to R3, Christy Coleman, Assistant Director HHSA, or it looks like Monica Fugate. It looks like Christy.

Okay, either or.

[Monica Fugitt] (25:00 - 25:30)

Okay, so the item that we had before you today would adopt a salary resolution which would increase the compensation for the eligibility worker series. It would also change the job title and the job classifications for the eligibility worker series from eligibility workers to eligibility specialists, and make other amendments to make this possible. I'll give it to Christy.

Christy's really the one here with the meat of this presentation today.

[Christy Coleman] (25:32 - 29:12)

Thank you. Good morning, Chairman Cry and members of the board. I'm Christy Coleman, Assistant Agency Director for Health and Human Services.

Before you today, like Monica said, is a request to update the job classification for the eligibility worker series to eligibility specialist, adopt a salary resolution, and it's the deletion of ten vacant positions. Over the years, the eligibility worker duties have become more complex. The requirements for increased knowledge, skills, and abilities needed to be successful as an eligibility worker has outpaced the current job classification.

The request today is to update the eligibility worker job classification to eligibility specialist, and in doing so, the specifics in the job classification will be updated to align with the current tasks that are being performed by the workers. Since the implementation of the Affordable Care Act in 2014, eligibility staff are now responsible to learn about qualified health plans through Covered California. They need to have a working knowledge of plans to help clients with questions, plan enrollment, or in guiding the client to what best fits them.

The Affordable Care Act also brought a new automated system that staff were required to learn and the combined knowledge needed with the added challenges of the interface between the two automated systems. Evaluating advanced payment tax credits, working through program changes, increased accessibility for pre-released inmates, Medi-Cal expansion for adults between the ages of 26 and 49, and dual enrollment for CalFresh and Medi-Cal benefits. Eligibility workers need to have the knowledge of health insurance plans, regulations, and rules for households for filing statuses related to the Affordable Care Act, and the ability to review tax documents to obtain needed household information.

All of these are some of the changes to the classification that will become the eligibility specialist. Merit Systems performed a study through CPSHR Consulting and found that the changes brought about by the implementation of the Affordable Care Act have affected the eligibility work classification across the state. The no-wrong-door approach to service delivery means that eligibility workers must know all of the programs.

The lines between intake and continuing cases have multiple approval steps through the state and federal systems, and through the steps customers can change benefit choices, creating more decision making and judgment of programs appropriate as part of an ongoing duties. Requirements for each program have diverged in some areas, creating more complexity and determinations, and necessitating more time in dissemination of information to the clients on programs. The new eligibility specialist classification will justify the work the eligibility staff are currently doing and bring their pay in alignment with the duties and requirements needed to be successful.

The increase in the cost to the 501 social services budget will be offset by the deletion of 10 vacant eligibility worker UPNs. This will result in a net county cost of about $79,000 per year. From 2017 to 2023, there's been approximately 1,237 program update letters that the eligibility staff have been responsible to learn and implement, and just another figure to give you guys, the help desk has received an increase of 50% in calls in that same time period.

Thank you, and I'm here to answer any questions.

[Kevin Crye] (29:12 - 29:38)

Thank you very much, and Monica, thank you for your team as well. I know this is something we talked about mid last year, so I'm really glad to see this finally coming forward as the eligibility workers are the front lines of the services we deliver as a county, and I know there's high turnover, so I hope hopefully this stifles some of that turnover. I'll make a motion, we have to take public comment, but I make a motion that we accept.

[Patrick Jones] (29:39 - 29:39)

Second.

[Kevin Crye] (29:39 - 29:52)

We have a second by Supervisor Jones. We'll move on to public comment.

Robert, then Jenny. Welcome.

[Robert Sid] (29:52 - 30:54)

Good morning, board. Thank you.

I'm speaking in in support of the eligibility workers. I see the job that they do day in and day out. They are in the front lines.

Supervisor Cry, as he said, along with the office assistants, who should not be forgotten either, both of them work hand in hand to serve the public. Not only do they have the skills necessary, but they have de-escalation skills also, and that really helps to calm people who are agitated or upset or not happy with their current state of life. It doesn't, you can't, obviously it doesn't work for everyone, but most of the people are served well.

So whatever we can do to help them and stem the tide of attrition would be great, and also if we could in the near future add the OA's to that list. Thanks.

[Kevin Crye] (30:55 - 30:56)

Thank you. Jenny.

[Jenny Nowain] (31:11 - 31:23)

I just wanted to thank you for bringing this forward. The eligibility workers deserve the extra pay and the extra nod of acknowledgement for the work that they do. So, thank you.

[Kevin Crye] (31:24 - 31:35)

Thank you. No other speakers. Under board discussion, we have a motion that's been seconded.

Seeing none, we'll just take the vote. All those in favor?

[Entire Board] (31:36 - 31:36)

Aye.

[Kevin Crye] (31:36 - 31:50)

Opposed? Hearing none, passes 5-0. Moving on to R4.

Again, Monica and Christy, thank you. Resource Management, Adam. Come on up.

[Adam Fieseler] (32:06 - 35:54)

Good morning, Chair Crile, members of the board, Adam Fieseler, Assistant Director of Resource Management. Today, I'm here to present the recommendations of the Planning Commission regarding amendments to the intermodal shipping container regulations and the recommended options for the board to consider. On April 23rd, 2024, the Board of Supervisors enacted an ordinance amending Chapter 17.02 and 17.88 of the Shasta County Zoning Plan, which expanded the ability to utilize intermodal shipping containers for permanent storage on parcels which are not designated for industrial or full-time agricultural uses. At that time, they directed staff to bring back resolution of intention to consider proposed amendments to Section 17.88.280.E to increase the number of intermodal shipping containers allowed for permanent storage on such parcels as follows, with no exceptions. One, no more than one on parcels of one half gross acre or greater, but less than one gross acre. Two, no more than two on parcels of one gross acre or greater, but less than five gross acres.

And three, no more than four on parcels of five gross acres or greater. On July 11th, 2024, by a 3-1 vote, the Board of Supervisors adopted Resolution 24-050, a resolution of intention, directing staff to submit the before-mentioned changes as a proposed amendments to the zoning plan to the Planning Commission for the Planning Commission's consideration. On July 11th, 2024, staff presented the proposed amendments to the Planning Commission and by a 5-0 vote, the Planning Commission recommended that the Board deny the zone amendment.

The minutes of the Planning Commission include public comment made during the hearing were included as an attachment to the Board report. So the recommendation before you today is one, conduct a public hearing and two, either uphold the Planning Commission's recommendation to deny the proposed amendments to the Shasta County Code identified as zone amendment or ZA 24-0003. This option maintains the current ordinance allowances for intermodal shipping containers of one intermodal shipping container on parcels of one gross acre but less than five, with a potential increase of up to two on parcels of one gross acre but less than five gross acres with an administrative permit.

Two intermodal shipping containers on lots of five gross acre or greater with a potential increase of up to four on lots of five gross acre or greater with an administrative permit. Or B, this is another option, find the zone amendment 23-003 is exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act pursuant to state CEQA guidelines section 15061B3 and introduce, waive the reading of, and enact an ordinance of the Board of Supervisors of the County of Shasta amending chapter 17.88 of the Shasta County Code concerning the regulation of intermodal shipping containers identified as ZA 24-0003. This option would increase the number of intermodal shipping containers allowed for permanent storage on parcels as I explained previously, with no exceptions.

Or C, you can make modifications to the ordinance and refer the matter back to the Planning Commission in accordance with Shasta County Code section 17.92.080J or consider providing alternative direction staff. This concludes my presentation, staff is available if you have any questions.

[Kevin Crye] (35:55 - 36:07)

Thank you. Mr. Fiesler, do we have any, well I guess what we'll do is before we take board discussion, we'll open the hearing and take public comment. Stephanie, before I open the public hearing, do we have any correspondence?

[Clerk of the Board - Stephanie Blankenship] (36:08 - 36:14)

Chair, any and all correspondence related to this matter is on file with the Clerk of the Board, it's available upon request for inspection.

[Kevin Crye] (36:14 - 36:24)

Thank you, with that I'll open the public hearing. First, Speaker Jeff, followed by Susan, followed by Dawn, followed by Dolores.

[Jeffrey Gorder] (36:41 - 38:18)

Good morning, I happen to be here at the last meeting where the board had an extensive discussion about the number of intermodal shipping containers allowed on parcels. And in the furtherance of transparency, I wonder if we could learn who it is that actually sponsored this issue, because it was apparent to me that Mr. Jones had an incredible amount of interest in this issue, and I think I'm probably not alone in thinking that this has to do with Mr. Jones, that there's perhaps some self-dealing here. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think in the interest of transparency, who brought this up, and is the public clamoring for changes in this particular area?

You know, the Planning Commission has spent an inordinate amount of time addressing this. They made a recommendation the first time around, and then this board, led by Mr. Jones, wanted to increase the number of intermodal shipping containers. Now it's gone back to the Planning Commission in 5.0. The experts in this area have thoroughly examined this and, again, made the conclusion that what they have recommended is correct. So I just am not sure why this is an issue that is taking so much of the board's time, and so I'm hopeful that somebody can let us know why this was brought up, who brought it up, and why so much time is being spent on this. And I would ask the board to follow the recommendations of the Planning Commission. Thank you.

[Kevin Crye] (38:20 - 38:23)

Susan, followed by Don, followed by Dolores.

[Susan Weiss] (38:24 - 39:31)

I can't, I'll just agree with Jeff. Why is this coming forward? Who brought it forward?

What is the need? It's just like the eminent domain. We need to hear as a public what the need is for this.

I suspect self-interest. I do. Because based on the history of this, the majority of this board, a lot of things have been passed in self-interest.

I think you should take the recommendation that you take the recommendation of the Planning Commission, because you can always, Mr. Cry, take notes, oh good, you can always get, whoever wants more can get an administrative permit to have more if they want it, but to pass a general policy like this for the entire county is not okay with me, and if I had that coming near my property, I would be extremely upset. There has to be a real need, and we need to hear it as the public. Thank you.

[Kevin Crye] (39:31 - 39:33)

Dawn Duckett, followed by Dolores.

[Dawn Duckett] (39:41 - 42:00)

Good morning board, Dawn Duckett here. I'd like the record to reflect that my next-door neighbor Sue Nicholson, who came to several of the Planning Commission meetings on this, was unable to attend, and also Elena Tupper from Palisadro was unable to attend due to a family emergency, and both of those individuals have given me permission to say that they agree with the comments I'm about to make. I'd like to start my comments by thanking the Planning Commission.

They did an excellent and thorough job of examining this, and they had three public hearings on this. They heard from a lot of the public, mostly in opposition, but they really did a fine job of balancing property owners' needs and rights to have what they need on their property, like shipping containers, and balancing those needs with the aesthetic concerns of neighbors, and also property value concerns and orderly development, and they really took that seriously and have thorough discussions on that, and I think that capping it at two is a reasonable alternative. Also, the board passed the original ordinance, which caps it at two in April.

The county has not received not one application, not even for one cargo container. I think that right there shows that there isn't an overwhelming need. There was a lady that spoke that has a horse sanctuary and said that she needed four on her property.

However, there are administrative remedies available to those folks, and it doesn't make sense to rezone the entire territories of Shasta County based on the need of one or two people. It just defies orderly development, and again, I'd love to at least give props to the Planning Commissioners. I spoke at several of their meetings, and they really exited the thoughtfulness and statesmanship and interested in listening to the feedback from the public.

Thank you very much, and also, I encourage you to stick with their recommendation. Thank you. Dolores.

[Deloris Lucero] (42:13 - 44:36)

For the record, I don't think you're writing notes, Kevin. I think you're texting, and it's pretty rude because we could see who you're texting, so you're not the type who cares what people say to write notes, but for Patrick Jones to bring this item back up, and it is Patrick Jones. Let's face it.

It's Patrick Jones. The only person who's interested in having more of these stinking boxes is going to be a sore eye for everybody, but Patrick Jones is actually the person. It's pretty sad that you guys are not willing to put the information, why and who and what's the reason you're putting this item, and you're not giving any answer to the voters.

You are just excluding all the voters, the rights for them to know because you think you guys are above the law, like always. You think you're above the law that the people don't need to know as long as you do what you want, and that's what you've been doing for so long. It's so pathetic.

I'm so sick of corruption. Corruption is just unbelievable how bad it is when it comes to you three because you three are just on top of everything, whatever you want before you go out, before you lose your position, but Patrick Jones is pretty pathetic that people know who you are already and what you want. You'll do anything to get what you want.

It doesn't matter what the people want. It was always about what you wanted from the day you were sat, you took office in the City Council. That's all you want.

To do whatever you want in the shooting range, it has to do with the shooting range. These stupid containers are going to cause so many problems for people to have because eventually they're going to have, you're going to find out there's going to be probably doing drugs in those things, you know, putting stuff in them that you're not going to even know. You're not going to even know to have a right to go in there and look at them because you guys passed these stupid things for the people to say, oh yeah, it's for the people.

No, there's nobody is asking for these. It's you. It's you, Patrick.

It's all about you. You guys don't care about people. You never cared about anybody.

Remember when you told me you're going to do whatever it takes to get what you want and you'll do it and that's what you've been doing. It's all about you.

[Kevin Crye] (44:38 - 44:49)

All right, with that we're going to close the public hearing and we'll bring it back for board discussion. Boy, they lit up fast. Supervisor Jones, go ahead.

[Patrick Jones] (44:49 - 46:15)

Well, thank you. So I've already publicly said that I brought this forward. So Jeff and Dolores and anybody else, if you did not understand that, yes, I brought this forward and publicly stated that.

So you just, you probably needed to pay a little more closer attention to that. Now I've had many people contact me over several years about this issue and so it wasn't one person or two people. It was probably at least five or six people.

Then I took the time to start driving around the county and take a look and see how many that you see that's out there. And there is a lot. And we're not talking about the cities of Anderson or Redding or Shasta Lake.

We're talking about the unincorporated areas of Shasta County. And it has created problems for other people. I see when people have a half acre lot that they should have the ability to have a container on their property.

If they have a larger piece of property, I don't see any reason why they can't. And I don't think government needs to tell them what they can do on their property or not concerning a limited number of containers. And we're not talking, and there are conditions with these, that they had to be at the back of the property, they have to be painted a neutral color, they can't be stacked, they can't be lived in, they're just simply for storage, which is what hundreds of people are already doing right now in the unincorporated areas of the county.

This would simply make it legal. Thank you, Chair.

[Kevin Crye] (46:15 - 46:18)

Thank you, Supervisor Jones. Supervisor Kallstrom.

[Chris Kelstrom] (46:19 - 47:53)

Yeah, I talked during the campaign before I was even elected about this issue here, and I mentioned I had a neighbor probably ten years ago now, eight years ago, who ran off his childhood home because he started getting fined for having two storage containers on his property. No one in the neighborhood complained, no one and not a single neighbor cared, they weren't unsightly, they were neat and orderly, he kept his equipment in there so it wouldn't get stolen, much cheaper than building a shop or a shed. And again, nobody complained, they were not unsightly, everybody in the entire area had no problem with him whatsoever, and he started getting fined by code enforcement.

Again, this is several years ago, and finally threatened to leave his house and he just gave up and put his house up for sale and moved out of his childhood home. So, you know, the lady from the Horse Sanctuary that came in here and spoke during this is a perfect example. I mean, this lady, you know, was thinking of moving out of the area because she has no way to store her stuff, she's been ripped off.

The secure, safe way to store her stuff is in a shipping container, and they weren't allowed. And she thanked us for bringing this to our attention. I had a constituent up in Shingletown that reached out to me.

His neighbor had weaponized code enforcement. He had two storage containers in the back of his property. You could barely see him.

You know, again, nobody complained except his neighbor and him were having a little spat. So his neighbor went ahead and weaponized code enforcement and they started, you know, going to fine him for these containers. So these containers, they're not going to be stacked on top of each other.

They're not going to be in, you know, 10 of them in the neighborhood. I mean, I think that we're making a mountain out of a molehill. Personally, I support this.

[Kevin Crye] (47:55 - 47:56)

Supervisor Gorman.

[Tim Garman] (47:57 - 48:21)

Thank you, Chairman Cry. Um, want to understand there's been nobody taking advantage of this program, which is a little odd. I thought we would get more response with this.

I really truly did. But it seems like we're not. So I think we spent a lot of time in this already.

We probably didn't need to. I'm gonna make a motion to uphold the Planning Commission's recommendation to deny the proposed amendments to Shasta County code identified as Z. A.

That Z. A. 2 4-0-0-0-3.

[Mary Rickert] (48:21 - 48:22)

And I'll second that.

[Tim Garman] (48:24 - 48:25)

Is that it? Supervisor?

[Kevin Crye] (48:26 - 48:27)

Supervisor Ritter.

[Mary Rickert] (48:28 - 49:44)

Yeah, I wanted to share with everyone. I don't have an overhead projector, but this is what a shipping container transition in for use at a gun range looks like. And I think this is probably, um, what we have in mind here in Shasta County.

I don't know if this is gonna be a problem in a lot of different areas. But I just want people to see that this this is what you're looking at. And so I do not think I think there are special waivers, special situations, as Mr Hellman and Mr Fiesler explained in our last discussion.

And I think it will be continue to be a real problem for land values. If people have these next door to them and they want to sell their home and it may be harder to market their home if they have some a neighbor. In the appraisal world it's called hazards and detriments.

It would be listed as a hazard and detriment to have two or three or four shipping containers next door. So with with that I think we need to listen to our planning commissioners. They are the experts in the field.

They represent the five of us and they are saying absolutely no. I talked to my planning commissioner about this at great length and they are adamantly opposed to this. So I think we need to listen to them and I am in opposition of this.

[Kevin Crye] (49:45 - 49:46)

Supervisor Jones.

[Patrick Jones] (49:47 - 50:01)

Yeah so again misconceptions by Supervisor Rickert. There'll be no shipping containers on my shooting range. So if you're implying that you would be wrong.

Plus this has to do with residential properties not commercial properties. So again you're giving out misinformation.

[Kevin Crye] (50:03 - 52:07)

All right I'm gonna go ahead and weigh in. I did have one question. Adam if you could come up.

One thing and Mr. Hellman I do appreciate the emails back and forth and the phone conversations. I am gonna make a substitute motion as it relates to see make modifications on the half acre. And I'd like to just have a board discussion to any of my board members.

One of the things for me is the 20 foot versus the 10 foot. No there's a 10 foot there's a 20 and there's a 40. My question is the 10 foot on the properties that I drove by.

And one thing I'll tell people too is just because people don't call. Because most of people that tend to want these they're just gonna do it anyway. Because they feel like it's their it's their right it's their land that I tend to agree with most people when it comes to private property rights.

If you really want to live in a hard and fast type of a situation you probably should live where there's CC&R's. Where you have to do that. Believe me and I've had the neighbor that's parked their their car and their boat on their lawn.

And I've had the people that have left the Christmas tree lights up year-round. So you know you deal with that you tend to try and buy where it works. One question I have is I can't after doing more research and more work on just seeing different places that have shipping containers on a half acre.

Would you amend it to go I mean what's tough for me is a 10 foot versus a 20 foot. The 10 foot actually is roughly $200 on average more than a 20 foot. A 10 foot you know a 10 by and I believe the standard is what they're 8 feet wide.

So I mean that that does give me because there's sheds at Home Depot that are basically you know that size and you would say why can't someone just put a shed on it. Well you know again it's private property and I think if it's tucked back away because Paul that does or Adam come on up it's the same thing right about that nothing's changed in terms of the color being painted to match the house.

[Adam Fieseler] (52:07 - 52:17)

No it has to match the house you know has to be painted a neutral color. It also requires a building permit a lot of those sheds from Home Depot do require building permits people don't obtain them.

[Kevin Crye] (52:17 - 52:27)

Yeah yeah and one of the things is I just think that's the bureaucracy of having to get that permitted to me is a little crazy for that. So would you would you amend it down to a 10 foot?

[Patrick Jones] (52:27 - 52:33)

Chair Crye the common containers are 20 and 40 and 10 is not a common shipping container.

[Kevin Crye] (52:33 - 52:35)

And that and that's and I did I did hear that as well.

[Patrick Jones] (52:35 - 52:44)

Right and so I would I would amend it I would agree to do an option C with no more than one 20 foot on it.

[Kevin Crye] (52:44 - 52:45)

So it cuts it in half.

[Patrick Jones] (52:45 - 52:45)

That's in half.

[Kevin Crye] (52:45 - 52:59)

Yeah I mean I could I could I could stomach that because the one thing is looking on the secondary market opposed to buying a new you really couldn't find any 10 foot ones. It was there were some 20 there were a bunch of 40s and I think 40s just way too big on a half acre.

[Patrick Jones] (52:59 - 53:01)

If you amend your motion I will second that.

[Kevin Crye] (53:02 - 53:12)

Okay so I'm gonna make a motion that we amend the half acre to an acre to be a 20 foot standard one trip shipping container opposed to the 40. So we'll cut that in half.

[Patrick Jones] (53:13 - 53:13)

I'll second that.

[Kevin Crye] (53:14 - 53:17)

So we have a second by Supervisor Jones. Under board discussion.

[Patrick Jones] (53:19 - 53:25)

And and Adam will this will this go again back with this minor change? Is it is it gonna go back to the Planning Commission again?

[Adam Fieseler] (53:26 - 53:27)

Based on Shasta County code yes.

[Patrick Jones] (53:27 - 53:31)

Okay. I would request. And then how quickly are you going to get this back?

[Adam Fieseler] (53:31 - 53:34)

Well the code actually specifies so I was just.

[Kevin Crye] (53:35 - 53:38)

Hey listen people come on please.

[Adam Fieseler] (53:40 - 53:53)

Go ahead. So the code actually specifies the exact time frame that our department has to take it back to the Planning Commission. So I'm just fumbling through that really quick just let me get that time frame.

[Patrick Jones] (53:57 - 54:00)

And the reason why I ask is because this has been a year over a year.

[Adam Fieseler] (54:01 - 54:21)

Yeah. So we are required to refer it to them within 40 days when the board sends it back to the Planning Commission. My department has 40 days.

I would respectfully request as we transition into a new directorship that we get 60 days in that regard.

[Kevin Crye] (54:21 - 54:22)

I was gonna say like two weeks.

[Adam Fieseler] (54:23 - 54:26)

The Planning Commission only meets once a month.

[Kevin Crye] (54:26 - 54:28)

But to get it to them why would it take 60 days?

[Adam Fieseler] (54:28 - 54:28)

Sure.

[Kevin Crye] (54:29 - 54:29)

I mean.

[Adam Fieseler] (54:30 - 54:40)

Well if we're at the beginning of a month or if we're on a Planning Commission day we may have tight turnarounds and we're not the only department that has to review this. County Council's office has to review it as well. So there's a process that we have.

[Kevin Crye] (54:41 - 54:54)

Council Larmor do you think this is something that I mean because we've we have dealt with this for over a year. Is this something that you think your office is able to lean into as it comes to your desk and it not sit there for 30 days?

[Joseph Larmour] (54:56 - 55:04)

A minor change like this isn't gonna take long in Council's office. It's more getting the board or the Commission prepared to hear it. Perfect.

[Adam Fieseler] (55:04 - 55:10)

We can do 40 days. I would just respectfully request 60. But we'll make it happen.

[Kevin Crye] (55:10 - 55:10)

Okay.

[Adam Fieseler] (55:10 - 55:11)

We will make it happen.

[Kevin Crye] (55:11 - 55:20)

I'd like to hear that. Great. It's perfect. Okay.

We have a motion. So we have a substitute motion. We'll take that first.

We'll do a roll call vote starting with Supervisor Rickert.

[Clerk of the Board - Stephanie Blankenship] (55:20 - 55:21)

Supervisor Rickert.

[Mary Rickert] (55:21 - 55:21)

No.

[Clerk of the Board - Stephanie Blankenship] (55:22 - 55:23)

Supervisor Kellstrom.

[Chris Kelstrom] (55:23 - 55:23)

Yes.

[Clerk of the Board - Stephanie Blankenship] (55:24 - 55:24)

Supervisor Cry.

[Kevin Crye] (55:24 - 55:25)

Yes.

[Clerk of the Board - Stephanie Blankenship] (55:25 - 55:26)

Supervisor Jones.

[Patrick Jones] (55:26 - 55:26)

Yes.

[Clerk of the Board - Stephanie Blankenship] (55:26 - 55:27)

And Supervisor Garmon.

[Tim Garman] (55:28 - 55:28)

No.

[Kevin Crye] (55:28 - 56:36)

Passes 3-2. Mr. Fiesler, thank you. All right. Public comment. Moving on to that.

We have pushing 40 cards and I am gonna take a supervisor. So here's what I want to do as it relates to public comment and I do I have considered actually what Supervisor Garmon did say about let's just always make it two minutes and I do want the ability and any chair going forward has this ability going forward as well to set the time as they see fit. I did have a constituent stop me in the hall and said she said hey if it's gonna be cut down because it will be two minutes today so what I will do is if you've prepared something and you want to be skipped and brought back I'll put you at the bottom of the stack so you've got plenty of time to amend or change what you'd like to say so if you feel like you're not ready public comment will be two minutes but again when your name is called Mr. Halligan you are first and if you have something prepared and want more time it doesn't look like it he's bursting out of his seat down the aisle he comes he is first Rick is second Linda glass is third good morning board

[Dave Haligan] (56:36 - 58:34)

I want to talk about the AG letter investigation that came out last week you hired Ellis investigation to do the investigation what I didn't understand is it was really only covered one subject and that was did mr.

Jones and properly fail to disclose the January 29th 24 letter I don't get that everybody in this room knows he did everybody out here does everybody on television knows he did I mean listen to his 5-7 statement so that was 5-7 any and mr. Jones said he went over it with mr. cry gave him the letter Kevin's twice denied that that he ever received a letter what I don't understand is the documents that were submitted six of them a couple emails from Dave Rickard I gave a copy of what I submitted to the Board of Supervisors back on June 19th I gave a copy to mr.

LaMoure this morning he said he hadn't seen it I sent it to the Shasta County Board of Supervisors please find below a timeline of information that is relevant to the evidence in the upcoming investigation of the AG letter dated 129 do not destroy or delete this email of communication that would be destruction or deletion of evidence you will be required to share this email with the investigator regarding your knowledge in your possession of this email when asked for any and all communications didn't happen could have helped the investigator out I don't think it was right I think you guys did not turn the information over that you should have it would never risky mr. cry that you had your own lawyer in the office the only one that had his lawyer present I wonder if you were worried about self

[Kevin Crye] (58:34 - 58:44)

Rick followed by Linda followed by Jackie Jackie here morning

[Rick] (58:44 - 1:00:31)

board and thank you Jesus for this beautiful day first I'd like to say during the interview process for a new ROV we had a man that was selected Tom Toler he said right here at this lectern where is it yeah he said local election confidence is low due to lack of transparency lack of transparency and how are we going to get that back are we going to get it back by not having a projector for us to use are we going to get it back by cutting public speaking time we're going to get the the transparency back by telling other members who to vote for for the elected supposed to be elected ROV the selected person that was selected was by you Kevin cry you selected the person by pressuring other members and I find that to be an absolute against transparency I think that's dictatorship is what it's called the 34 time convicted felon doesn't engage in cryptographic schemes not that I've seen the 34 time convicted felon doesn't engage in anonymous billionaire angel donors kept anonymous like Zuckerberg which he's admitting today he doesn't engage in that the 34 time convicted felon is who I'm going to be voting for because he's the most transparent person in our entire government right now and I find it absurd that you guys are going the direction you are we need local transparency in our elections and somebody needs to start standing up for

[Kevin Crye] (1:00:31 - 1:00:46)

it Linda followed by Elisa followed by Laura Hobbs good morning everybody this

[Linda] (1:00:46 - 1:02:42)

is what I could be doing this is my profession and my love however since I heard in a court case that there are 700 more ballots than people that voted I am presenting this following information I'll try to do my best and then maybe come back the question is hand counting has been used for 238 years about 10 years ago an independent contractor for the CIA I'm not mentioning his name invented the hammer and scorecard program this program is has an app it's called scorecard the hammer part is the computer cyber accessible part it was supposed to be used for our u.s. enemies however because some of the bureaucrats are communist leaning they gave the source code to the CCP bankers those bankers have the holdings of all the finances in China this however he kept the identifier so I do have a copy of the whole thing the bribed politicians in every state have access Dominion heart which we switch to also use the same program bribe politicians chosen by big bankers use we are not fighting Democrat Republican we should not be divided we need to be

[Kevin Crye] (1:02:42 - 1:03:01)

Thank you, Lisa Followed by Laura Landon there Sharon here followed by Linda Lucero followed by Beth let's work

[Elisa] (1:03:01 - 1:04:52)

together to ensure fair and secure elections it shouldn't matter if you're a Democrat or Republican we are all Americans and we should want integrity and transparency in our elections the state has made our elections much less secure by instituting blanket mailing of ballots to everyone on the voter rolls the current system has allowed dead people illegal aliens and in the ill eligible voters to be on the rolls and receive ballots the ballots that are out there can be used by people who want to cheat in our elections we should not be using electronic poll pads because they are connected to the Internet and can be accessed we should be using only paper poll books the vote should be hand counted at the precinct and the numbers should match with those that have signed in to vote we have able-bodied citizens ready and willing to hand count an election code 15 to 70 outlines a method to do so we should not be relying on machines made in China to count votes these tabulating machines are able to connect to the Internet and can be hacked or pre-programmed to flip votes to those who say that election fraud cases were brought to court and were thrown out for lack of evidence that is not true the judges would not hear the case or the evidence and rule that the plaintiffs lack standing right here in our county in the Hobbs vs.

Long contest Judge Baker did not allow the county's ballot tracking data into evidence that showed there was a discrepancy of 167 more votes cast than voters who voted this was very unfair and the case dismissal should be overturned on appeal I'm praying that you will agree to stand up for election integrity and implement hand counting hand counting in our county thank you

[Kevin Crye] (1:04:54 - 1:05:01)

thank you come on up are you Linda Linda come on up Linda followed by Bev

[Linda] (1:05:01 - 1:05:38)

followed by Ron Pember good morning my first time I'm a little bit nervous I'm excited I'm new to this and so I just for today I want to say that I am in standing in agreement and joining these courageous men and women that come here to speak week after week month after month fighting for us to have fairness and transparency in our voting system I pray for you courage to fight for us also I want my vote to count thank you thank you

[Kevin Crye] (1:05:38 - 1:05:53)

Ron Pember followed by Carl and Susan Liskard followed by Patty Plum

[Ron Pember] (1:06:00 - 1:07:55)

morning my name is Ron Pember I've written out a little thing here that I'm going to read to you we need transparent and fair elections it's our right to vote and have our vote counted accurately as guaranteed in the u.s. as a u.s. citizen this is the first right acknowledged and promised in the original United States Constitution so you and excuse me you as the board of supervisors may canvass all election returns canvas is defined as defined as public process and processing and tallying of all ballots received in an election so we need hand-counted paper ballots as no one can observe the actual tally of a ballot by a machine as we as citizens don't have the code that the people who are in charge of the voting machines like the Dominion machines and whatever so again we need hand counting of ballots and you as board of supervisors have should have Thomas taller I guess his name is to have those ballots out and we need to have the people be able to go in the office and physically watch what's going on with the ballots being counted and not being not have somebody standing away or looking at him through a little peephole in a window this is just not going to the Constitution and this is backed up by millions of veterans starting with our founding fathers who put their lives on

[Kevin Crye] (1:07:55 - 1:08:04)

thank you thank you Carl

[Carl] (1:08:06 - 1:08:46)

Susan Patty and the board by the way her name is Swan not Susan that's my wife thank you I'm sorry okay I'm here on behalf of pardon that was an alias maybe I just this is the real deal okay I'm here on behalf of election integrity I believe that we should have hand count I think that we shouldn't have the

[Kevin Crye] (1:08:46 - 1:10:01)

electronic hold on hold on one second just give us Oh Ben you need someone to come in hey stop stop Ben you need someone to come in hey hey hey everybody let's just please is there a nurse here by any chance okay we're gonna go ahead and take a five-minute recess it can't be respectful and just be very quiet please all right we're coming back from recess we're picking up with Carl he's got 123 left are you ready sir yes sir okay well first of all I'd like to just

[Carl] (1:10:01 - 1:11:14)

say a prayer for Jenny and her husband Ben just shortly that Lord we just come before you Lord we just pray for Jenny and Ben now I've just pray now that whatever has come upon her today Lord that you would give her peace Lord that you would just ease whatever suffering she's going through and Lord I just also pay for Ben that he'd be comforted also we just thank you for that in Jesus precious name Amen so to continue on I want to talk about on it election integrity I do support hand count the reason for it is when we think about chain of custody I work in the polos Swan and I have volunteered for the last three years there's a protocol in which we go through and what concerns me is when we actually drop off the ballots in the alleyway behind the ROV that the minute they go in chain of custody is lost because whoever handles them and when they go through the machine we no longer have our hands upon it so I would hope that we would be able to change that that we'd be able to initiate hand count and we have ballot verification before anything is verified in this count so thank you very much for your time

[Kevin Crye] (1:11:16 - 1:11:24)

Swan followed by Patty followed by Leslie Edelman good morning I appreciate

[Swan] (1:11:24 - 1:13:24)

being able to talk so what I'm want to talk about also selection integrity and I know they've been a lot of good comments here already and I would say that I agree with that so I think that in this high-tech world it's disingenuous to believe that the machines could not be are not hooked up and cannot be monitored or altered rather if that was true that they are not hooked up to the Internet then how can news agency report real-time data so again one more point here there is credible evidence that the data has been manipulated in many cases so to restore confidence in fair and transparent elections we must make changes and we simply cannot keep doing the same thing and expect different results because we would not be able to trust the outcome maybe some people would but the majority I believe would not so what can we realistically do now with the time that we have left for the upcoming election we must have 100% hand count at the precinct but we could do that in conjunction with the machines if we cannot change the process right now there are plenty of people who are willing to count and we must reconcile those numbers with the machines and in any business that is done so you can trust the data we also need to not use electronic electronic pull pads but return to paper pull pads and those books rather and that can be done immediately and this is at least one way we can begin to restore confidence and I guess the biggest question is are we willing and courageous enough to take that move now so I'm asking respectfully that you listen thank you

[Kevin Crye] (1:13:24 - 1:13:30)

Patty followed by Leslie Edelman followed by Bruce Russell good morning

[Patty Plumb] (1:13:30 - 1:15:37)

board as a disclaimer I want to make sure everyone knows that I'm not coming to you as a commissioner for the Election Commission I am speaking as a citizen of Shasta County and Mary Rickards constituent for District 3 I want to affirm and praise you for your efforts to strengthen and support our county to rise up against the state's overreach and unconstitutional control on April 23rd our sheriff Johnson did a presentation on his trip to Southern California to the border in November 2023 with sheriffs from Siskiyou County and also Yuba County an example this is what we want more of what he shared that day and your cooperation with him to protect our county is what we want more of we have the authority as a county to be able to stand up against the overreach of the state and our sheriff has more authority than he realizes and we want to back him in that in that effort another example is passing the proposal to to become a charter county thank you for that also the importance of the imminent domain I didn't realize how important this was but that night on Tuesday evening I was on a statewide county chair call throughout the state 47 counties and without it being provoked or me even asking all these other counties for rising up with information about the importance of protecting our property from imminent domain so this may not have been active in the past but it's certainly something that's currently a concern and going forward we know that the government is becoming even more aggressive so to have this amendment attached to our county charter is very important so thank you for that the goal at the same time is for us as a county to stand up against the overreach in our elections and there's so much I want to say about that but what I will tell you is that there is a code California 19 207 that says any city or county ordinance shall govern voting systems unless the other provisions of law is deemed consistent with the division therefore the county laws and ordinances supersede any state laws in regard to the voting systems we need to go back to one day voting paper priest paper in the priest Leslie Edelman

[Kevin Crye] (1:15:37 - 1:15:48)

no Bruce Russell followed by Terry Terry arms and then Christian good morning

[Bruce Russell] (1:15:48 - 1:17:47)

board on consent item c18 I really like the idea of requiring board approval of any travel of a lame-duck supervisor during the last three months of the supervisor's term it is doubtful that end-of-turn supervisor travel will be a much benefit to the county and would be a waste of money so please approve for the upcoming November election I have some comments it's critically important that our local election be as transparent as fair as possible preferably we would hand count all the ballots and dump the proprietary software of our black box voting equipment the county needs to do all it can to reduce the risk of fraudulent voting in this critical election the board should also ask for an election status update from ROV Toler the update should include status where the elections office stands on cleaning up the voter rolls I personally request the ROV in early June to review some 670 active voters that I provided because their listed address is outside of Shasta County in the last election we will learn that the required 1% manual hand count audit can be expanded to account all ballots in an election like was done for the cry recall election item and was partially done for the district to race at a minimum I'd like to see the board and the and or the ROV to require the 1% audit manual count be expanded for the November election to include a full hand recount of all close election races I would suggest using a 5% winning margin to be considered as a close race if problems are discovered the manual counting should be expanded to cover more of the races but of course I'd still prefer a hand recount of all races if you were paying attention you know this election will determine whether we remain a free people the choice is crystal clear Americans can go down the path of communism with Kamala Harris or Americans can embrace Trump and the MAGA agenda and work to fully restore our constitutional Republic so please do all you can to preserve our

[Kevin Crye] (1:17:48 - 1:17:56)

thank you Terry followed by Christian followed by

[Terry Rapoza] (1:17:56 - 1:19:40)

Elizabeth Rainey one thing I think we've neglected to see is the top the doctrine of lesser magistrate and in a nutshell what that says is if the state is doing something that we believe is unconstitutional as a county we have the jurisdiction to not follow it I'm surprised this kept this council hasn't passed a resolution of some sort to follow constitutionally only protected and constitutional positions rather than following a position of policy or following a position of mandate the Tenth Amendment clearly explains how that works and remember that the doctrine of lesser magistrate is what we based our declaration of independence on you have that power the idea or the thought process that you don't have the power to do and create an ordinance is protected by the California Constitution article 11 so I'm at a loss what's going on with this hand count thing we got rid of one machine for another machine everyone is talking about a hand count is totally constitutionally protected and nobody has to worry about going to jail no one has to worry about going to prison the position that we have right now is that we don't understand the Tenth Amendment and that is that anything not delegated which means we have ownership of a lower power can't delegate to a higher power only a higher power can delegate to a lower power it also states that everything that's not delegated is reserved to the states or the people not and the people therefore we the people want hand counting period in a sentence

[Kevin Crye] (1:19:40 - 1:19:51)

thank you Christian followed by Elizabeth followed by Thomas H so I've

[Christian Gardinier] (1:19:51 - 1:21:49)

added it up so far we've got 15 no I'm sorry 16 county employees they're not making a whole lot of money but they're making some serious money the rent of this facility our two security guards we are spending probably today on a item that is completely out of your jurisdiction period we are spending probably up to $2,500 and add that up over three years this is not even close to your jurisdiction Jones know this when he and Hobbes tried to circumvent the vote of the American people by getting this board not to certify the elections which you have no power to do this board has no power about the elections period zero zip now if you want to go to the Election Commission meeting all of this is where this is supposed to take place in the meantime you're flushing money down the toilet all for basically for a lie called the big lie to try and help a convicted felon adjudicated rapist become president it's it's pathetic now Jones is affiliated with national organizations the plot is to use Shasta County right the spearhead the one that's going to turn elections over as a way to clog certification of the vote by the state of Secretary of State this you guys are well supervisor cried they're calling you a treasonous because you won't fight back the communists but this thing is a joke it's out of the jurisdiction of the board you have wasted three years I don't know how many hundreds of thousands of dollars plus the cost of voting machines for your big lie followed by

[Theresa] (1:21:52 - 1:23:31)

good morning I'm I just want to say that I do absolutely agree with hand counting and they should be done it should be done at the precincts I've worked at the precincts and there's just a lot of standing around I realize that they can't count till the end but you know you could give a little bit more money to those precinct people and those ballots could be actually counted there also get rid of those poll pads you have to do ID I know for a fact that my son received three ballots on this last election one went to his old address which was forwarded to his new address he got one at his new address and I got one for him so that's three ballots so obviously the you know the roller the things are not cleaned up because you have three addresses just for my son so I am absolutely I disagree with Christian I think I believe and I know this is in your you know area that you can absolutely clean this up for us as the people and we really do need to clean up the voter rolls as well as voter ID and hand count thank you very much

[Kevin Crye] (1:23:33 - 1:23:41)

Thomas followed by maybe it's Tessa followed by Laurie Bridgeford yeah

[Thomas] (1:23:41 - 1:25:12)

Thomas appreciate the opportunity of being here you guys are in a special position three people here a very special position you can be leaders you can get back to basics of being Americans the right to vote and the right to have your vote counted and mr. cry put mr. Toler in a position I mean he's on your shoulders and so far I've seen I don't see any tendency to want to change from change from the lack of the last time and that's why most words are here we want change we want our votes to be counted I want to make sure your vote is counted and I went down on my own and I've seen our votes weren't counted and you guys can do it there's a been on them you seen that big board she's got those are all the rules you don't have to do a lot of research the counties are in charge we do not need those machines all that money somebody's making money on the machines we can vote at the precinct we could you know you know number eight here it says the chair may order removal now show some and get that character out of here

[Kevin Crye] (1:25:12 - 1:25:24)

Tessa come on up Laurie Bridgeford followed by

[Tessa Borquez] (1:25:24 - 1:27:15)

Larry s good morning my name is Tessa Borquez I am owner and operator of Alacrity destination services and I am here today on behalf of the upstate California Film Commission and I just wanted to go over their Q2 report I provided the report but this quarter the Film Commission has hosted 15 projects which included six commercials two episodic television one documentary one student film two shorts and three features combined the productions have reported 67 shoot days seven permits were issued a hundred and eight vocals were hired 40 room nights were actualized and had an estimated economic impact of five hundred and forty four five hundred dollars thousand dollars in addition to the hosted productions this quarter the film office responded to 32 inquiries we also had the privilege of hosting 11 professionals industry professionals on this year's fam tour and highlights spanned Shasta Tehama and Siskiyou counties as the flicks presidents our film commissioner Sabrina Gersuch had the wonderful opportunity to connect with filmmakers at one of the world's most prestigious film festivals and cans this March and partnership with film USA and during the event she hosted many networking events and participated in the panel explore America's film frontier with the USA Film Commissioner this spring we also celebrated Miracle Mile screening which filmed almost entirely in Shasta County and the Golden Ghosts which filmed in Shasta Tehama and Siskiyou counties we are celebrating the film Shasta's 10-year anniversary on Friday October 11th at Riverfront Playhouse and we are proud that the Film Commission has continued to bring work to locals as well as inspiring unifying and uplifting this community thank you thank you thank you

[Kevin Crye] (1:27:15 - 1:27:23)

Laurie bridgeford followed by Larry s followed by Jeff good morning chair and

[Laurie Bridgeford] (1:27:23 - 1:29:21)

board I just want to say this at the two minutes is a bit of a hardship especially with this incident this medical thing that just happened I am also like everyone else wanting to send good wishes and prayers to Jenny and whatever her situation is and she completely recovers today I plan to talk about the next pandemic scandemic in the works we have the bird flu though the impacts or monkey pox the vaccines have been ordered the insurance companies already have their CPT codes I would like to have our HHS public health and anybody else pronto get with the public meeting live Q&A a forum a town hall or something because these are already in the in the works I listen to John Knight at the mountaintop media do it do a I don't know 34 to 40 minute thing I'm all over on alternative media constantly because the regular fake news suppresses and censors so we're in trouble they the FEMA camps COVID-19 was supposed to really scare everyone into compliance and obedience it didn't work here in Shasta County did it where's Karen Rams from I kind of don't care she had to move on she was just a script reading order following parrot sad to say so I absolutely I'm convinced Mary you might want to listen as a rancher this this PCR test they're all they have to do is say hey your cow failed this test so we're gonna take your whole herd we're gonna close your business we're gonna take six miles away seven miles away we think it's spreading aerosol droplets look at what happened the sky yesterday our sky was shredded with aerosol dispersions bioweapon labs we have 400 FEMA camps have been put in place we were supposed to be locked down for two or three years and apparently it's hard for me to get this but if Trump absolutely had to play the game of putting out the tweets saying it's not that fatal it's not mandated and all the rest they want two or three years of lockdown crushing the middle class crushing everything so when they take our food supply we're screwed and they're burning up factories if you just pay attention a tiny bit focus a little bit they are going to go for us seriously

[Kevin Crye] (1:29:24 - 1:29:35)

Larry s followed by Jeff followed by Susan good morning board personally I

[Larry S] (1:29:35 - 1:31:32)

think we have pretty fair elections throughout the history of the United States voting system that we have may not be perfect and yes there have been instances of fraud but I think what we find is that the little bit of fraud that we experience from time to time really doesn't change the outcome of an election maybe a few votes here and there it's funny that most of the national cases that I've read about in terms of voter fraud that was actually adjudicated in court had to do with Republicans perpetrating voter fraud I really want to urge the board to not be quite so obviously MAGA we've got a cult of personality and if it hadn't been for the fact that Donald Trump didn't win the last election we wouldn't really be having these conversations he perpetrated the big lie and it filtered on down all the way to Shasta County and we've had an uproar about our election systems ever since now when you have a man like Donald Trump who makes a statement I'll only be dictator for day one and that's like offering Donald Trump one potato chip and Christians vote for me this time because I'll have the situation so fixed by the next time you won't need to vote those two phrases put together are scary to me along with project 2025 which intends to dismantle the administrative state of America and basically institute a constitutional monarchy by putting all of the power in the executive and then re-establishing white Christian nationalism

[Kevin Crye] (1:31:32 - 1:31:41)

thank you Jeff followed by Susan Susan if you can get in queue followed by Lee

[Jeffrey Gorder] (1:31:41 - 1:33:43)

County is losing many good leaders the latest example being Paul Hellman and I believe a lot of this has to do with a lack of ethical leadership at the top specifically with regard to mr.

Jones and mr. cry and I think the handling of the Attorney General's letter is just the latest example I mean we recall how much time and effort was spent on the Zog Fire settlement resulting in a five-page letter sent to the AG in which the board accused the DA of having a moral conundrum and perhaps violating government code 1090 the closing of the letter indicated the SB SCB OS thanks you for your attention to this quote critically important matter the quote the SCB OS looks forward to your response well apparently you didn't look too forward to the response because when the response came in and it went to mr. Jones mr. Jones did basically nothing with the letter other than tell cry about it mr.

Jones apparently is saying well there's no rule that requires that I save the letter or publish the letter so as far as I'm concerned I don't have any obligation to disclose this letter to the public mr. cry becomes aware of the letter and apparently says well the letters are not addressed to me the letter was addressed to mr. Jones as the chairman so I don't have anything to do with it come on folks you've got to ask what is the right thing to do mr.

Jones you ever asked that question how about it mr. cry when you're at the ninja gym what's the right thing to do guys the right thing to do would have been to disclose the letter okay and don't give me this garbage that you didn't know that it hadn't been disclosed you know Jones you thought somebody else got it there was no CC on the letter why not disclose it you know do unto others as you would have them do unto you thank you

[Kevin Crye] (1:33:43 - 1:33:51)

Susan followed by Lee Clark followed by Don Duckett

[Susan Weiss] (1:33:51 - 1:35:45)

well to your surprise Kevin I'd like to thank you for what you did the last meeting when you said you you were starting a forum with the attorney with the DA and the police chief and the course to try to figure out how we can get the court processes going along that's the kind of leadership I'd like to say thank you for I think that's good I want to talk about the lack of I want to talk about the letter Jeff already said a lot but no matter what that letter from the LS legal team said you two did not come forward and let the public know you would even receive the letter and to me that is lying that's lying and it's not okay you knew the public was waiting to hear about that and for you to to keep it away from even the other supervisors is totally unacceptable I've never seen such a way of handling this in my life and I've been to a lot of meetings a lot of board meetings but that was totally unacceptable and I think you know that I also want to talk about the loss of people we have in this in this county the loss of history the loss of people are flooding every time I come there's a new director that's leaving Paul Hellman this week at last you know every time there's a new director flooding out of here now the Redding police just sent out a thing about what they're doing about their strategic planning and this is right off their website their direction they want to have direction cohesion leadership focusing on mental health and safety and they want to work on department staffing recruitment and retention conducting interviews of departing staff and use input to assist in the retention process now I know the top leadership are not going to give you true information about why they're leaving the directors but how about an anonymous survey among everybody so we can find out why people are leaving here in droves

[Kevin Crye] (1:35:45 - 1:35:53)

Lee Clark Don Duckett Bill

[Lee] (1:35:53 - 1:37:32)

Gilbert yeah this is a supplement treasonous or not we started in January about indebtedness guaranteed public debt 14th amendment section 4 mr. LaVar got suckered into this later on the thing you're for the Constitution you claim to be conservatives you're not you might fool most the people who are simple manipulate with mass formation psychosis or convenience oh I want this I want that you know in the Marine Corps what I learned most of all you can't have your rights if you don't protect others first the Zogfire thing sorry mr.

Jones friends as friends but honors different you shouldn't have destroyed the document it proves the conspiracy with the DA over the Zogfire and the Attorney General based on what I told you guys about treasonous penal code my jury agreed bad boom my jury agreed treason penal code 1252 it says pass the buck when things are quote adverse to state so now now you're violating grievances so we have to cram 10 pounds of poop or two-pound bags sorry ladies this is conspiracy people 18 USC section 23 a4 opposes by force the authority thereof including your conspiracy with your public centers and giving them contracts article one of the Constitution imperative obligation of contracts where the public offender is misrepresenting me with the HHS fraud dr.

frauds this is a conspiracy whether you're wanting it done and everything else you're involving yourself especially with neglect you should be prosecuted for crimes enough enough okay hey

[Kevin Crye] (1:37:32 - 1:38:03)

Don Ducat followed by Bill Gilbert followed by Nick Gardner

[Dawn Duckett] (1:38:03 - 1:39:55)

morning board I understand item c18 is being pulled but I may not be here for the consent agenda so I just wanted to speak briefly on that item c18 our amendments to the personnel rules mr. cry you're gonna be surprised that I agree with most of the amendments on their face they all appear to be good for Shasta County you're gonna hear some conspiracy theories but if we take out who the board majority is right now who the travel requirement for board members at the end of their terms is directed at it it's a fiscally conservative thing to have checks and balances in place for board travel at the end of the term and I and I tend to agree with that I I am not saying that Tim Garmin shouldn't go to his conference but I do agree that there should be checks and balances and speaking of checks and balances I may have missed it in the policy but I would like to see some checks and balances for elected officials for international travel I did notice that the CEO signing off on out-of-state travel was removed but I I do think I have faith and trust in in older shorts office to examine every travel claim but I do think that the policy should not be silent to that and I would also just briefly like to say that I agree with Jeff Gorder let's make a vow to do better with transparency and and when in doubt disclose it to the public I know the Ellis report said that nothing improper was done but it was wrong and it the public had a right to that information and you all know that try to do better thank you

[Kevin Crye] (1:39:55 - 1:40:03)

Bill Gilbert followed by Nick Gardner followed by Jim Burnett

[Bill Gilbert] (1:40:03 - 1:42:05)

hi I'm Bill Gilbert and I'm not likely to shut up anytime soon um I received this Mary Rickard political flyer in the mail she claims that she's securing our water future she must have an in with mother nature because if I get enough rain I have water if there's not rain I'm screwed a safe community she says well except the Big Bend Road it's been washed out for eight years Mary there's a 50-foot drop-off that's especially dangerous in the winter and especially dangerous to your snow plowed driver and public safety people who who may drive faster than some others when is that road gonna get fixed I'll bet it won't be you won't be here for that oh and a transparent government Chasta County hired a convicted forger thief and two-time drunk driver named Amy Andrews made her a hearing officer where I caught her with a forged document cheating a poor minority child what kind of scumbag cheats a poor child apparently you and your buddies Mary then your criminal scumbag waited three days went home got drunk and called the cops with the impossible story I assaulted her impossible is the word your security guard used when he heard her story because he was 10 feet away and she's being assaulted but she doesn't call for a security guard um then if I assaulted her somebody in that room would have seen it was full of employees of this county and other people beholden to this county not one witness your shyster lawyer Adam Pressman told the court I would have brought witnesses but mr.

Gilbert would have called them liars the truth is there were no witnesses and he slandered me I hope he would be County Council but he knew better thank you mr.

[Mary Rickert] (1:42:05 - 1:42:14)

Gilbert mr. Gilbert Troy the director of Public Works is right behind you he can explain to you exactly the timeline of the Big Bend Road

[Kevin Crye] (1:42:15 - 1:42:25)

Nick Gardner Jim Burnett Leslie

[Nick Gardner] (1:42:25 - 1:43:59)

I'd like to say I like this new format with all the department speaking before public comment that makes me stay here and I'm realizing a lot more that's what's going on and before when I'd leave right after comment so thank you you know Christians talked about flushing money down the toilet I'd like to ask Mary where's Eric where's Eric McGuiney we kind of flushing money down the toilet by still having him on the payroll aren't we and I see where you you voted to create a position for him and gave him a $32,000 raise maybe you could tell us where Eric is do you have any idea and I'd like to mention that you know when the people overwhelmingly passed a two-term limit you justify running for a third term whether it's legal or not it's not morally right and then we've got Jeff coming up here and whining about a letter that was written six months ago why don't these people come up with some solutions to what's going on right now instead of whining about what happened and Susan comes up here and accuses you guys of lying well I can think back when they started the recall and it was based on lies either that or they just didn't pay attention in school and they can't count and then you're talking about eminent domain and things that haven't happened thank God the writers of our Constitution could foresee what could have come up and passed laws to alleviate those problems thank you

[Kevin Crye] (1:44:00 - 1:44:11)

Jim Burnett followed by Leslie followed by Dolores Lucero

[Jim Burnett] (1:44:11 - 1:46:07)

morning I was happy to see that Mark Zuckerberg wrote a mea culpa to Jim Jordan yesterday about the content moderation that Facebook did and content moderation is a euphemism for knuckling under to the strong-arm tactics of the Biden administration when it came to information regarding COVID-19 and all the attendant policies that they were trying to push on us of course that wasn't the only thing that wasn't the only example of government collusion with social media because certainly the political realm is was not exempt from that and so it was again it was good to see that Zuckerberg says he believes the pressure was wrong from the government and he regrets that he was not more outspoken about it and then he further stated that he wanted to address the contributions that he made during the last presidential cycle what we called the Zuckerbucks he said they were designed to be nonpartisan and he knows that some people believe they benefited one party over the other but he understands that wasn't the case so he doesn't plan on making any more similar contributions to this cycle so that brings to mind that the big government and the big powers that be and now it's the Democratic Party that's in control has an enormous amount of sway over where the money goes a lot of this money goes to registrars of voters throughout the land so everything that the money that money comes into Shasta County was skewed I believe to the left end of the spectrum that was not in in keeping with every vote should count what happened was every vote every illegal vote seemed to count more than regular votes

[Kevin Crye] (1:46:07 - 1:46:15)

Leslie followed by Dolores followed by Mary followed by Bev

[Leslie Sawyer] (1:46:17 - 1:48:14)

I would actually ask during consent that you guys also pull c8 and look at that one it's to approve a retroactive renewal agreement with SCOE for the amount of 1.5 million dollars that's a big amount of money it's retroactive so since it wasn't like approved ahead of time probably doesn't hurt to look at it and ask questions before rubber-stamping that one what I would like you to do is ask SCOE for a complete documentation look at what program is being implemented or has been implemented I think the doctor that you had comes come and speak Kevin has a really good program for aces that actually it actually looks at aces and finds out solutions for it rather than just more SEL junk that uses aces as a way to get money in but doesn't actually address this the issue sorry I just choked um so I would say that or work with dr.

move find a similar program to that guy's program or even mr. Brown has really good programs on aces so I would just look at what program you're retroactively approving because 1.5 isn't kind of a big big number and then in my last 30 seconds I think Tom Teller is doing a great job so thank you for that and I think after November we'll see him do more and thank you to the people who take the courage and time to get up here and speak I know that's really hard and I'm really sorry to our guests to do that and show up and take that time to come up here and nervously speak with people who never learned how to not talk when it's not their turn in kindergarten thank you

[Kevin Crye] (1:48:15 - 1:48:22)

deloris followed by Mary followed by Bev

[Deloris Lucero] (1:48:22 - 1:50:22)

Kevin crying you're a dictator you continue to dictate everybody you continue to take everybody's rights there's so much corruption in the schools in the City Council in the courts in Shasta County Board of Supervisors there's fraud in the election you know why there's fraud because you guys are creating fraud by allowing people to who should not be qualified to run for a Board of Supervisors like mr. Corky my Harmon who actually has a conflict of interest and yes the conflict of interest I've been saying it but the FBI takes a long time for them to process this because there's so much involved so if you think that the FBI is going to come in here and just do their job to come in here and within three months it doesn't work that way so those who constantly talking crap on the radio about me maybe you need to do more homework gave me make get smart enough to know what the heck it's going on but I'm so sick about your corruption Kevin cried you continue to mislead the people and by because now on c18 I'm gonna go into a different thing c18 you're trying to dictate the what mr. Tim Garmin wants to do you're you're not his boss you're not his boss we are your boss and for you to try to put the c18 to pass this to dictate what how much he can spend or what he can do or anybody else can do you can't do that because now you're violating the people's rights the people's rights who he represents anybody who represents so you go ahead and do that violate his rights including the people's rights so just so you guys are aware I'm also I filed multiple complaints with the secretary to state to have Corky removed from from running against Mary because there is a multiple conflict of interest so because you guys file you actually approved contracts and over a million dollars for Corky when he first ran in the primary since he's going to November 11 therefore makes it a conflict of interest because you already approved it so therefore you better watch out corruption

[Kevin Crye] (1:50:23 - 1:50:37)

Mary followed by Bev followed by I don't I don't see Benjamin

[Mary Williams] (1:50:37 - 1:52:27)

name is Mary Williams I served Shasta County for seven years until I resigned good morning my last year as deputy CEO since my departure I have not set foot in this room that meant so much to me for so long but I'm compelled to come today not out of frustration but with a commitment to accountability and a sense of duty to remaining county employees that just won't go away item c18 today specifically the updates to chapter 22 of the personnel rules tells a story of a work environment where such specific and detailed policies are now necessary to address harassing abusive and retaliatory conduct and procedures must be outlined for handling of complaints against elected officials it's a story of a year of pressing for change and outcomes in a system that is designed to intentionally lead employees to a dead end historically Shasta County did not need such explicit policies because a commitment to a safe and respectful work environment was evident in our work culture however I can personally attest that the current environment has necessitated spelling out what was what was once a standard way of doing business it is unfortunate that victims had to pave the way for these policies to be considered tireless actions behind the scenes to make improvements should have been enough but here we are c18 is a reactionary measure not a proactive one and those of us who have been in the trenches know it as a band-aid on a deeper wound progress is slow but it is imminent because we will not stop pushing for it a step in the right direction will be when this board does not selectively release investigation findings only when they like the outcome to County employees I want you to know that I am still here I did not simply walk away after I resigned from my position I've remained engaged this entire time although I don't work for this County any longer I still live here I'm raising a family here and I'm invested in this future and in yours I'm on LinkedIn and on socials if you'd like to connect with me even if just for a listening ear thank you

[Kevin Crye] (1:52:30 - 1:52:43)

Bev, Sharon Landon back Sharon Landon are you back up

[Bev Gray] (1:52:43 - 1:52:48)

I get three minutes don't I do, well I was asked to be put at the end so I could have three minutes if I needed

[Kevin Crye] (1:52:48 - 1:52:53)

it no it's two if you needed time to to adjust what you had would you like to step back

[Bev Gray] (1:52:53 - 1:54:43)

oh no that's okay I wanted to talk to you about the alpha draw for local races did you know the state draw is supposed to be used for local races and it's not supposed to be changed did you know that in primary of 2022 the alpha draw law was not followed for some of our local races did you know that it was not followed for the 2024 primary for some local races did you know did you think it is okay to violate some laws but not others did you know that Kathy even told us right here in the room that for example sometimes her name would be on the top and sometimes Bob's name would be on the top that is not the only time that was said my question is did the machine recognize whose name was on the top the program reads the marks not the names is this how she got her high percentage of how she won and when do you ever count your own votes did you know some precincts have more of one party than another did that come into play with who was selected to be on top did you know that it was an oversight by the ROV office that they did not use the state alpha draw everything is a mistake do you really think the wrong alpha draw is by accident for a reason did you know it is a proven that 1% the first person on the ballot for the race has a 3 to 5% advantage for being first even if not all judges know this does not require expert witness

[Kevin Crye] (1:54:44 - 1:54:54)

thank you Sharon Landon followed by Laura Hobbs welcome

[Sharon Landon] (1:54:54 - 1:55:13)

good afternoon short and sweet I just want to make my information known that I want to I support hand counting for the voting so that's what I'm here for thanks

[Laura Hobbs] (1:55:13 - 1:57:13)

okay good morning I've described the Mesa pattern of fraud which we're still seeing in every election the difference is that now they have poll pads to perfect their cheat supervisors crying Kjellstrom and Jones remember how they cheated against you but they didn't quite cheat enough you managed to overcome the cheat that's no longer possible once we implemented the electronic poll books we need to get rid of those poll books now before the election why haven't you put this on the agenda code breakers are used to unscramble enemy communications in times of war we have code breakers who have identified complex cryptography in voter number assignment occurring in the state voter rolls dr.

Andrew Paquette has identified this happening in 13 states now it provides pockets in which to place fake voters to hide them away so that only the bad actors can identify them and reactivate them when needed there's no honest reason for this CIA level cryptography to be present in our voter rolls we must disconnect from the state rolls now this is how they perfect the cheat they have a slush fund of fake voters and when the poll pads tell them what is needed they can add in real time they can get these voter rolls activate the fake voters and then send in completed ballots that then get counted and certified it certified rather our ability to choose our representatives that is at the very foundation of our freedom it's what distinguishes us from a monarchy or a dictatorship or an oligarchy the way we choose our representatives here is with black box voting machines where nobody can see the result it's not fair and it's not public there's no accountability and there's no transparency if we remain if we want to remain a free people then we must make changes to the existing system the time to do that is now not after this upcoming election thank you so the

[Kevin Crye] (1:57:13 - 1:57:29)

four cards four cards I have that nobody has spoken obviously Ben and Jenny no Linda Lucero and Jackie L okay we're moving on to the consent calendar I know. miss Blankenship

[Clerk of the Board - Stephanie Blankenship] (1:57:29 - 1:57:39)

chair cry it's been I've been informed that you chair gray are pulling c8 and supervisors Garmin and Rickert are pulling item c18 okay

[Kevin Crye] (1:57:46 - 1:58:08)

supervisor Ricker is accusing on c13 I write c8 this morning and supervisor Rickert and supervisor Garmin pulled c18 and I go ahead and explain why I'm gonna recuse those the only three miss Blankenship yes that I'm aware of okay

[Mary Rickert] (1:58:08 - 1:58:18)

miss or supervisor Rickert yes the reason I am recusing is because it was brought forward by the opponent that I'm running against currently thank you

[Kevin Crye] (1:58:18 - 2:00:24)

okay so we will take do I have a motion to accept the consent calendar with the exception of c8 and c18 with a supervisor Rickert recusing on c13 we have a motion by supervisor Jones second by supervisor Kelston under board discussion is there any seeing none we'll take a vote for those all those in favor aye passes unanimous 5-0 we will go ahead and take c8 I pulled c8 quite honestly there's I just would like a lot more information so one of the things I'm gonna propose is that we approve a retroactive agreement for six months not one year and we'll give it then we can bring this back in the next month or two I know our HHSA director is in France at the time and I would like to get more information so that's the motion that I have for c8 I'll second it so we have a motion by myself seconded by supervisor Kelstrom is there any discussion up here and one thing I'll tell you about ACEs and I don't want to go I had a lot of stuff here prepared for my board report and quite honestly I'm just not gonna go into it in depth the thing about ACEs and how they're doing some of these assessments the the science is is way moved beyond what we're doing as a society with educating our children you have resilient kids and you have non-resilient kids and the things that we're doing in education right now is like 40 years late I mean you have kids that it's still a very carrot and stick process and intrinsic motivation is what turns these young people's lives around and again I there this is such a bigger conversation for me I will be having it also with the new superintendent of schools Mike Freeman and I mean anyway yes

[Mary Rickert] (2:00:24 - 2:00:28)

have you have you ever attended a training or anything on on ACES

[Kevin Crye] (2:00:28 - 2:00:34)

I had one of the world's leaders present to us in Cure on Omahonee yeah right but I mean have because we this we have for

[Mary Rickert] (2:00:34 - 2:01:12)

years this was started by Terry Phyllis Hossler when she was the public health director and I talked to her about this Friday and she's quite concerned about the fact that that ACES is coming under attack and that we need to ensure there have been so many people that have been trained on how to go out and detect that work with children on a day-to-day basis and so this is important that we get these contracts moved forward instead of stalling it okay time is of the essence and I think that six months I trust I know I think we need to move this forward we need to make get this we've been doing this for

[Kevin Crye] (2:01:12 - 2:02:09)

years I'm sorry but when I hear something's been done for years we've spent billions of dollars an example we've spent billions of dollars in homelessness and super and governor now says maybe we should have some accountability we've spent billions and it hasn't improved it's gotten worse in our edge I mean I could rattle off these stats but quite honestly supervisor Rickert I don't think I mean okay I'll go over some the trend shows that 200% increase in school spending from 1970 to 2010 however academic achievement shows up as completely stagnant there are no changes in reading math or science increased spending is not only improved outcomes for students in four years it has gone down and so I have all the I mean it doesn't matter I've got a motion supervisor Garment I'm just not gonna argue with it I mean kids are in a worse spot today and it's been exacerbated by COVID that's how many of us got engaged and if people think that the statement of this is how we've always done it is what needs to be heard then I can't even argue with that. Supervisor Garman

[Tim Garman] (2:02:09 - 2:02:47)

I think some changes can be made but ACES is very hard to understand and you got people coming up here who are divorced talking about ACES in our public comment time and it's just like it's like what are we doing it's like we need to be able to support our ACES programs and fund it completely for a year I'm gonna make a substitute motion that we approve it for the as it's written in c18 or excuse me c8 and move this on it's ACES is way too complicated and yes school scores are down I would urge you to go to the school boards become a school board member and you can see what's actually going on in their schools COVID was definitely part of that but you see I sit here and tell me it's not the ACES funding that's causing that so I will make that motion

[Mary Rickert] (2:02:47 - 2:02:51)

I'll second that

[Kevin Crye] (2:02:51 - 2:04:25)

you don't need to make a motion it's already in there so the substitute motion is what it is I know I've only been on this board much shorter than both of you but you don't need to make that motion because it's already in as c8 thanks for correcting me I made a mistake that's okay but what I will tell you again and I just want to make sure for board discussion for Supervisor Jones we haven't discussed this I did talk to Supervisor Kelstrom a little bit earlier today about this and again we had one of the literally world's leaders come in here and speak about it and you know some people picked up on it some people again like I'm I'll die on this hill and the whole thing I agree with Supervisor Ricker six like parts of me said let I mean I hate the word and I brought this up in my first month as a supervisor in 2013 that the word retroactive appeared like 38 times in our agenda and to me it's like and if you've noticed we've whittled that down some but I will tell you six months I'm saying okay let's do this because I don't want those families impacted but I do think if the county is going to spend money and not just spend we have to invest it and if we look at what's been done again if you just look at the homeless situation we're spending more money and getting less of a result and to a point you know children and kids and how we're doing that and and please nobody up here pontificate to me about going to a board meeting or spending time about children because that's what I've dedicated my life to it'd be like me telling you supervisor record about cattle like I don't there's there's just no way I spend my entire life in the School system all right supervisor Garmin (Mary: so I I've had) Supervisor Garman is in queue

[Tim Garman] (2:04:27 - 2:04:34)

I just have a question for Christy is this something needs to be moved forward now or if we wait till Laura's back to have more further in depth yeah I was gonna

[Christy Coleman] (2:04:34 - 2:05:04)

actually ask if we could do it for a year and that way it'll give us time to actually have meaningful conversations and figure out exactly what the request of the board is and to find another vendor if that is the request of the board or kind of how you want to move forward if you give us that one year from July 1st 2024 to June 30th 2025 since we're already partially through the year I think that would give us enough time to to give this a good look at at what is being done in this contract because it's more than just ACES and so I want to take the time and actually do that dive into it to see what it is

[Kevin Crye] (2:05:04 - 2:05:08)

and what and what I had spoken about supervisor Rickert I'm sorry you're in queue

[Mary Rickert] (2:05:08 - 2:05:16)

yes I just I just I wish I could rewind the tape but did you just say that you spoke to supervisor Jones about this

[Kevin Crye] (2:05:16 - 2:05:20)

no I said I talked to supervisor Kelstrom about this

[Mary Rickert] (2:05:20 - 2:05:31)

you did say that you spoke to Jones You said you did

[Kevin Crye] (2:05:31 - 2:05:40)

okay you know what I hope somebody clips this out clip clip clip this out put it on social media that's the lunacy we're talking about hey listen listen just go back just go back and watch the film go ahead supervisor well

[Mary Rickert] (2:05:40 - 2:05:49)

I just wanted because I heard that you spoke you said you spoke to supervisor Jones about it and then you talk to supervisor Kelstrom and if that's so that's a Brown Act violation

[Kevin Crye] (2:05:49 - 2:06:03)

all right say listen listen everybody just remember this comes out in a couple days watch it and somebody bring it up in public comment this is what you're voting for go ahead supervisor Jones

[Patrick Jones] (2:06:03 - 2:06:22)

thank you chair so you said quiet please we're having a board discussion go ahead supervisor Jones you did not have a discussion with me on this issue and that is exactly what you said I'm a little closer to you than supervisor Rickert but you did not have a discussion with me on this issue all

[Kevin Crye] (2:06:22 - 2:07:16)

right Christy I'm gonna I'm gonna say that this doesn't need I mean this really is an opportunity it probably will take me all of like less than a week to put them together the necessary information and again I just can't in good conscience say a year I mean to me I mean if I could do three months I know it's retroactive and we're only behind like is it 60 days rough ballpark started July 1st okay so we're not even behind 30 days so I mean and I get it I know with many department heads we've had the conversation about private industry versus government but I don't think kicking the can down the year is necessary it'll take me a week we could probably almost bring this back easily by the mid-september like the second meeting in September the 17th this will come back and we'll probably approve the rest of it I just for myself to sign off on a year and that much money I have to understand it a little bit deeper can I

[Christy Coleman] (2:07:16 - 2:07:32)

can I make one clarifying comment absolutely not 1.5 for the year so 1.5 would be the whole term of the contract actually if we did it just for that one year and I just want to make sure you have the information before we move on okay it is gonna be five hundred and seven thousand

[Kevin Crye] (2:07:32 - 2:07:45)

okay yes my motion will still stand okay thank you though for clarifying thank you and I misspoke okay so we have a motion we have a well we don't the original motion is c8 so my

[Clerk of the Board - Stephanie Blankenship] (2:07:45 - 2:07:59)

substitute motion sure can I get clarification just from Council on that I believe the original motion was to amend it to have some sort of time limit on it and the substitute was to approve as is and I just want to make sure that we're

[Joseph Larmour] (2:07:59 - 2:08:09)

that's correct the first motion to be voted on is to adopt c8 as drafted the the second motion to be voted on would be the motion as amended by Chairman Crye

[Clerk of the Board - Stephanie Blankenship] (2:08:09 - 2:08:15)

yes so we'll take the substitute motion as motioned by Garmin and seconded by Rickert first

[Kevin Crye] (2:08:15 - 2:08:25)

no it's the opposite (Stephanie Blankenship: It's Not)

[Joseph Larmour] (2:08:25 - 2:08:37)

you take that you take the latest motion first and then you work back to yours to I'm saying to to approve c8 as is yes that'll be your fruit that motion on the table is that one

[Kevin Crye] (2:08:37 - 2:09:24)

great so we'll take that let's just do all those in favor (Tim Garmin: Which one are we voting on) we're voting on your substitute (Stephanie Blankenship: motion to) it your substitute motion is I opposed opposed opposed all right so fails to three we'll take mine all those in favor aye opposed passes 3-2 so we'll staff will bring that back probably the 17th and then miss Coleman who is the point person for that it's gonna be Tara Shanahan right now okay okay thank you all right we'll move on to c18 supervisor Rickert and Garmin you pulled this who would like to go first seeing nobody in queue supervisor Rickert go ahead

[Mary Rickert] (2:09:24 - 2:10:31)

well this this could take I feel like this could take a lot of time one is I personally do not feel that and I don't know which pages can take a long time to find the right page the the part where it talks about essentially what you're targeting is mr. Garmin saying he can't attend the last RC RC meeting that was his appointment that was he's supposed to fulfill you know this and I think that's just very punitive he's done a lot of work on our CRC and I I find it really distasteful that you would do something to a to a fellow colleague to a fellow board member thank you supervisor Garmin. I am not finished chapter 22 I I think there's a lot of things where in I've got so many I've marked it up a lot

[Kevin Crye] (2:10:31 - 2:10:42)

would you like to come back to you and so you can find it (Mary Rickert: Well, yeah) all right supervisor Garman while supervisor Rickert finds it

[Tim Garman] (2:10:42 - 2:12:18)

thank you chairman cry first thing Iwant to bring up it is the page 412 a section 20.2 first of all I have just everybody's clear I have no plans to travel in the last three months of my term this year however if something comes up and I need to travel I will absolutely travel and I will absolutely turn in a receipt I have every right to work for the people of this County you're talking three months this has never been a problem again you guys trying to create problems where none are you're putting stuff time into something doesn't need to be done it's more dictatorship about who you want to allow to go where I am not the one on this board who's wasted any money so they I think this is an attack on me personally and it's it's shameful on your part supervisor crack and then moving on on the abuse of conduct and retaliation I will agree with our former interim CEO Mary Williams and she was in here this is reactionary and it's obviously needed where was this before and I want to know why all of a sudden that this came out so who we would ask that question I want to know why this was redrawn all of a sudden there's a lot of red lines you guys a lot of red lines I can go page after page after page so I would like some explanation as to why all of a sudden we have this policy but I also would like to know where the protection is for the Board of Supervisors when we're in closed session and we're being called liars and other things to where at the point of where is any other job the way we're some of us are treated that person would be fired and Monica and personnel you know what I'm talking about anybody who gets mistreated they file a complaint at some point you're gonna take some action unfortunately we don't have that recourse on this board and it's wrong and we need it so I'm asking for your help

[Kevin Crye] (2:12:18 - 2:12:31)

right so do we have a we have a motion supervisor Garmin or supervisor Rickert sorry

[Mary Rickert] (2:12:31 - 2:16:00)

yeah and and I also there's so many things oh I read this the other night I just went oh my gosh we could we could actually kind of have a whole meeting called just to go over this chapter 22 first of all I want to agree with supervisor Garmin that there's no protection for those of us in closed session there's no accountability and anything can be said in closed session that anybody wants to say and there's no personal responsibility no accountability everybody just gets and so I find it very hypocritical that we have a whole chapter on how to not discriminate not to harass not to be abusive and yet it's happening at the very highest level in this county and it has to stop it has to stop this also says I mean there's there's so much in for any of you've read this chapter there's so much in here that I mean it was amazing I I admire Mary Williams for coming forward to speaking her part you have no idea what has been going on in this county you have no idea the employees that have been retaliated against and harassed and it's got to stop we're losing people all the time as a it's we are the laughingstock of the state of California I have people that tell me that they have relatives in other counties that watch our board meetings for entertainment this is reprehensible this is not a Gestapo state anymore it's got to stop and I am sick and tired of people being abused of us losing talent and institutional knowledge that we will never be able to replace and I am tired of it when will Shasta County come to the realization that what's happening right now in Shasta County is going to take decades to ever recover from and that's all there is to it it talks about the policy is also intended to prohibit treating a county client or customer in a discriminatory harassing or abusive manner this happens at this dais on a regular basis when we have people come up with public comment so we're going to have plenty of words on a piece of paper but are those words going to have any meaning whatsoever are these people going to continue to abuse speakers I have been called every I've been threatened with my life from that from people standing there other than the license plates I never really got upset nobody go after my license plate but the fact of the matter is this has got to stop we have got to return to civility and decorum in this county or we will never recover we will never be able to attract qualified people to come here to work and it's got to stop we we are losing physicians we're losing veterinarians we're losing lawyers we're losing business people and I have people complained to me about that all the time it has got to stop supervisor Jones

[Patrick Jones] (2:16:00 - 2:16:43)

thank you chair well I don't know I don't know what planet supervisor Rickards from right at this second we are attracting hey nobody interrupted why as a record to be honest we are attracting very good competent people I am very I'm very happy I'm it's it's disappointing that supervisor record is unhappy with Shasta County I'm very proud of Shasta County I'm proud of the direction that it's going and frankly and frankly for Mary Williams to come in here to try to school us as to what she did with the CTCL is inexcusable hey

[Kevin Crye] (2:16:43 - 2:16:55)

supervisor Jones please supervisor Rickert spoke uninterrupted please please please let super hey let supervisor Jones finish let supervisor

[Patrick Jones] (2:16:55 - 2:17:40)

Jones finish Mary Williams is not a county employee any longer I asked her quiet quiet I asked her on multiple occasions did the counter proposal for the Centers for Tech and Civic Life contract get approved and she told me no an outright lie outright lie I'm very proud of Shasta County I'm proud of the people that are coming here and I'm proud of our employees that are doing a good job change was needed change has happened that's what this board represents at least the majority is change some people don't accept that change I'm sorry for that but change is happening in a good way and I'm proud of Shasta County, Thank you Chairman.

[Kevin Crye] (2:17:40 - 2:17:48)

supervisor Garmin thank you chairman Crye

[Tim Garman] (2:17:48 - 2:18:17)

cry so Chris I'm sorry Monica I'm gonna ask you this this here question again was this policy change is it due to the retaliation that's happened over the last year plus is that why we're making these changes because I know this retaliation stuff seems to be happening on an ongoing basis I found out last week with a employee got ahold of me who was just let go and they basically said it was retaliation and what is this gonna stop and it was this policy I guess the question I asked you this this policy created because of the

[Monica Fugitt] (2:18:17 - 2:18:47)

so no the the policy updates weren't in response to the retail retaliation or alleged retaliation or harassment California law outlines abusive conduct and that was not covered in the existing policy the policy only covered harassment discrimination so we needed to add abusive conduct to the conduct that is not lawful that we would investigate if it was reported to us so that's what these changes are intended to do is to

[Tim Garman] (2:18:47 - 2:18:52)

align with the law okay how long did it take to put all these changes on paper

[Monica Fugitt] (2:18:53 - 2:19:08)

we've been working on this since probably about January and we also met and conferred with the UPEC general on these changes and provided copies of these policies also to the other unions as well I guess the question I have is

[Tim Garman] (2:19:08 - 2:19:32)

like supervisor said this could take a whole meeting just to go over these changes it's a lot of changes just to be put on a C item for a consent calendar I think that we should have more time to go through all these changes and all that so I don't know if this is an urgent matter it needs to be dealt with today or if we have some time we can come back at a further time and agenda eyes this and go over it in more detail do we have time to do that well

[Monica Fugitt] (2:19:32 - 2:19:50)

obviously it's up to the board what the board direction is but for us there are some changes in the personnel rules that we are interested in having made effective as soon as possible so if this was to be pushed my my request would be that it would be the balance of the changes would be approved excluding that

[Tim Garman] (2:19:50 - 2:19:57)

chapter okay did I'll make a motion we approve except for the except for

[Kevin Crye] (2:19:57 - 2:20:02)

section 20.2 a and I'll second that your motion by supervisor Garmin seconded by

[Mary Rickert] (2:20:02 - 2:20:17)

supervisor Rickert supervisor Rickert yes and Monica why do you know is there any protection for a supervisor in or anyone actually in closed session why is

[Monica Fugitt] (2:20:17 - 2:20:34)

closed session not addressed in this so I'm gonna have to defer to County Council on you know because that's in closed session those those conversations cannot be made public but but it I would think that there would at least be some

[Mary Rickert] (2:20:34 - 2:20:46)

verbiage in the in the in the rules that covers it is all supervisor Jones thank

[Patrick Jones] (2:20:46 - 2:21:01)

you thank you chair a director if you get is there anything in this that has changed or supervisors like supervisor Garmin and supervisor Rickert using profanity from the diocese that covered in here or not can they continue to do that or is that is that is there a section here that's covering that I

[Monica Fugitt] (2:21:02 - 2:21:13)

couldn't speak to a specific section but there is there is various sections in here that talk about verbal remaining professional keeping positive verbal

[Tim Garman] (2:21:13 - 2:21:42)

language okay thank you I'm not sure that supervisor Garmin I just want to clarify Monica you mentioned it you're gonna ask the council about closed session conversations whatever is on our agenda in council can correct me here whatever is on our agenda is protected under the Brown Act we cannot talk about it any other conversations like a supervisor cry call somebody a liar in closed session can absolutely be brought to the public as long as not referring to the item on the calendar and I plan on bringing these forward

[Kevin Crye] (2:21:42 - 2:21:56)

from here on out yeah and supervisor Garmin when I call you a liar I think you should I think you should bring that out of closed session yeah there we go

[Joseph Larmour] (2:21:56 - 2:22:46)

so council Larmor so I just wanted to try to save Monica here a little bit the reality is as elected officials you guys are not employees which means you aren't subject to discipline by any County staff ultimately the only way for you to react and enforce any rules is for you to agendize the matter and put it on and take a vote on it unfortunately as members of the board you have to police yourselves there's there's really nothing within the county code that allows any other county officer to take action against a board member so adding the the sections to the code would would be grounds for a censure to have those sort of discussions but unfortunately you guys are in charge of

[Kevin Crye] (2:22:46 - 2:22:59)

that thank you all right so chair did you make a motion first or well there's a substitute motion that supervisor Garmin made I believe it was seconded by

[Mary Rickert] (2:22:59 - 2:23:27)

supervisor Ricker supervisor Ricker yeah I just wanted to say so so as long as the board majority can vote not to disclose findings of investigations and can continue to treat anybody though anyway that they want wish to in closed session it will never come to the public for the public to be aware of that because they will protect themselves I would absolutely want any of that stuff

[Kevin Crye] (2:23:27 - 2:24:02)

in closed session because you know I mean you know as well as I do this stuff that I've that I've had to just shut my mouth and keep buried down for 20 months and you know Mary and supervisor Garmin the day of reckoning is coming and it's going to be great because you guys know and that's what's funny is you start to see people coming forward and talking and it's going to be glorious when everybody is let in to know what has gone on in this building just in the time that I've been here all right supervisor Ricker I don't know how to I

[Mary Rickert] (2:24:02 - 2:24:05)

don't know how to follow up with that one that was that's well you're gonna

[Kevin Crye] (2:24:05 - 2:24:15)

have to figure it out how to follow it up because it's gonna be pretty good information well you know it's on there it's on everybody's laying the groundwork but it's okay because the truth will come out and set us all free

[Clerk of the Board - Stephanie Blankenship] (2:24:15 - 2:24:36)

the truth will come out miss Blankenship chair just for the record I don't show any original motion being made the only motion in and the substitute motion that you referred to earlier I believe is the only motion on the table currently so it's not a substitute it is just a motion I would make a motion that we accept c18 and I'll go real quick that would be a substitute motion then okay

[Kevin Crye] (2:24:38 - 2:25:32)

c18 as is as is seconded by supervisor Kelstrom and just to clarify again just for the public this is about and some of the speakers even mentioned this this goes for every into every board member going forward I think in the last quarter of a term there could be some checks and balances of that type of travel because what I've learned now and I'm not saying this is any particular supervisor supervisor Jones supervisor Garmin possibly supervisor Ricker has nothing to do with them and their time in office this has to do just going forward and when there's talk of like maybe someday getting into NACO and things like that there's a lot of money in that travel and I just think that that should be something that should be looked at but this is a much much broader thing as director Fugate has said they've worked on this for months prior to this even coming forth with just the little part about supervisors travel going forward supervisor Garmin thank you you brought up a point there maybe we

[Tim Garman] (2:25:32 - 2:25:42)

should make this the first quarter of somebody's term as well when people go out and do crazy things and fly across the country which I paid for them so I'm just saying maybe maybe you should just look maybe all the travel needs to be

[Kevin Crye] (2:25:42 - 2:26:30)

okay and I and I would support that I would because I mean I think that's I think that's important so we have a motion to the so I guess would we take mine first then Stephanie okay so we'll take mine we'll do we took public comment already so councilor should we just take it I'm to be on safe site okay if somebody already spoke like Don Duckett if you want to speak again you've got c18 you've already spoke on it Thank You Don Jeff come on up Dolores spoke on c18 you want to speak again of course you do Susan okay Thank You Susan I appreciate that Leslie I don't think you spoke on c18 so come on

[Clerk of the Board - Stephanie Blankenship] (2:26:30 - 2:26:33)

for clarification are we doing two minutes or three minutes we'll do two

[Jeffrey Gorder] (2:26:35 - 2:28:17)

okay so you know I agree this is retaliatory against supervisor Garmin and it's just totally unnecessary but you know as I understand it then if if mr. Garmin had a if he was running for election in November he couldn't take any travel in the last quarter of his first term is that is that correct I mean you take a look at that we we'd have to have a vote of the people in somebody's last term in order for him to take travel I mean this has never been an issue before and then down below you allow as I understand it you allow department heads and elected officers to travel out of state as necessary without any prior approval of the county executive officer so a department head could travel five days out of state to Nevada without any approval whatsoever no checks and balances correct me if I'm wrong and then a elected official could travel anywhere out of state without any oversight whatsoever you know I just don't see the logic in that you know I think there if you're going to have checks and balances on on mr. Garmin you should have checks and balances on department heads you should have checks and balances on other county elected officers like yourself I mean why shouldn't somebody have looked at it cries trip back to Mike Lindell and decide whether that was appropriate or not and yeah you paid for it but you only paid for it after there was a public outcry so don't come out with that righteous BS about you paid for it

[Deloris Lucero] (2:28:18 - 2:30:27)

thank you Dolores followed by Leslie you didn't pay for it because I have the documents actually the public paid for it the citizens did so for you to say you pay for it that's wrong and that's actually a lie really a lie so you're a liar and for you to try to dictate Tim Garmin for him to wherever he needs to go or anybody you are not the boss of the Board of Supervisors there's five of you that means there's five districts for them to represent everybody has the right so now you're gonna dictate their right and the dictate Mary's or anybody you don't like you're a Hitler you're just like a Hitler's because it's Hitler's he tries to be nice and then when he gets what he wants he pulls the rug under the feet so for you to violate Tim Garmin's rights to go where he needs to go you're violating the people's right and for you Chris you also go along with this bullshit you know that you go along with this and you're supposed to be what oh yeah I forgot you're Patrick Jones little sidekick because that's what you are you whatever you guys vote you guys talk about it you talk about it's shameful you should be ashamed of it yourself how can you do that just cuz you don't like Tim you have to be so vicious it's so disgusting don't you see we see you and we have to come up here be the we have to come up here and tell you what you're doing wrong you think we want to come up here and get up every morning get ready so we could come over here and bitch about everything you do you think we enjoy it I don't but I have to because you guys work for us somebody makes Denise to put you make you accountable we have to hold you to your feet to the fire is bullshit how can you do that you're violating his district you know that he you're you're allowing Kevin cry to violate his district the people that you guys all supposed to represent as five as a one whole not individual god my gosh are you kidding me yeah and I do want to clarify

[Kevin Crye] (2:30:27 - 2:30:51)

the just just to make it abundantly clear so when I asked about my travel at the very very beginning I was told it had to be paid that way so when I came back I donated actually the amount it cost which was like 1,300 bucks and more to Shasta youth options because I couldn't reimburse the county because know the short said I couldn't so I just made a donation so anyway go ahead

[Leslie Sawyer] (2:30:51 - 2:31:07)

I think the only thing that's important that needs to be pointed out is Monica pointed out these changes are based off of law not proposed retaliation that's it but it's off of law and people are leaving because when the truth comes out

[Kevin Crye] (2:31:07 - 2:31:15)

that's what happens all right we're gonna take a vote Stephanie we'll go ahead and take a roll call vote I think we're starting

[Mary Rickert] (2:31:15 - 2:31:28)

with mine is that correct that is correct okay and that please we'll start with supervisor Garmin the substitute motion yeah for the record

[Clerk of the Board - Stephanie Blankenship] (2:31:28 - 2:31:39)

it's accepting c18 as written as drafted by staff and I'm sorry chair who did you want me to start with supervisor Garmin supervisor Garmin

[Tim Garman] (2:31:39 - 2:31:51)

I'll go ahead and vote yes and it's all I don't agree with the one part it is important to get these changes done that Monica works so hard to put together so thank you Monica and the rest of the team. (Stephanie: supervisor Jones) (Patrick Jones : yes) (Stephanie: supervisor cry) (Kevin Crye: yes)

[Clerk of the Board - Stephanie Blankenship] (2:31:51 - 2:31:54)

supervisor Kelstrom (Chris Kelstrom: yes) and supervisor rickert,

[Mary Rickert] (2:31:54 - 2:32:06)

and I'm gonna guess with the disclaimer that there are things I do not agree with inside of it but we do need to get these in place sooner rather than later so that perhaps so is it of some of our board members can improve

[Kevin Crye] (2:32:06 - 2:32:41)

are we okay are we still under board discussion at this time council armor cuz I'm cuz I'm super like I'm puzzled I'm puzzled that supervisor Garmin record made such a big deal and they vote yes anyway like I'm just I'm curious cuz I'm not gonna ask in the parking lot or in closed session so can you can you please understand you please help me understand supervisor record how you go on and on for like seven minutes about why it's all wrong hey I'm talking I would just like because this this is this is what you want you want it to be public nothing in closed session so please articulate for me I mean I'm just curious I'm not questioning it I'm just

[Mary Rickert] (2:32:41 - 2:32:52)

trying to understand it did you just not go on for quite an extensive amount of time over the aces vote and I voted how I felt but you talked about it

[Kevin Crye] (2:32:53 - 2:33:02)

extensively ad nauseum I but that's I was passionate and then I followed my vote up with it and I'm curious yes sir supervisor Garmin we can actually go

[Tim Garman] (2:33:02 - 2:33:05)

ahead and talk about previous items so I'll talk about the ACES score no no because you don't care about kids

[Joseph Larmour] (2:33:05 - 2:33:16)

or you were talking about the discussion should stop oh okay that's what I thought okay all right okay that's just crazy to me

[Kevin Crye] (2:33:16 - 2:33:23)

okay we're gonna go to at this time do we have any closed session items we do

[Clerk of the Board - Stephanie Blankenship] (2:33:23 - 2:33:28)

chair we have one item but no public comment over that closed session okay

[Kevin Crye] (2:33:28 - 2:37:47)

seeing no public comment for closed session we're gonna take a closed session we'll recess for approximately 15 to possibly 20 minutes we will come right back with no lunch break and we'll report out so anytime between now and in the next 30 minutes I would expect us back with that we are at recess returning from closed session council Larmor do we have any reportable action

[Joseph Larmour] (2:37:47 - 2:37:49)

no reportable action today mr.

[Kevin Crye] (2:37:49 - 2:38:02)

chairman okay chief deputy clerk of the board miss Blankenship do you have anything else no chair CEO Rickert nothing more with that this meeting is adjourned